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Author Topic: utrogestan/estrogel support group  (Read 247498 times)

LW44

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Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #1590 on: February 13, 2019, 08:49:04 PM »

Hi reading this thread with interest,  i stopped my utogestan 200mg pessary after 7 days as just couldnt tolerate it.. im progesteone intolerant.  I then had short bleed for 3 days, due back with consultant to discuss.. so was just wondering  what is the least amount of utrogestan you can have and for how short a time? Thanks ladies x
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Ladybt28

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Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #1591 on: February 13, 2019, 10:38:32 PM »

Check out any of Professor Studd's papers on the subject.  There is an answer to your question but it is not widely publicised on the forum.  Some members consider it irresponsible to post because they believe it cause women to have lining build up which they believe may be life threatening.  It is considered controversial because reducing days should be undertaken with consultant involvement.
Talk to your consultant LW44.  Some of Studd's papers clearly publish 7 days and that advice is widely available here and on the internet under various searches.

Was the 3 day bleed heavy LW44?  Remind me orally or vaginally Utrogestan?

That level of depression is not good Tc - I got like that but I also got almost permanent insomnia which was like being wired all the time as it went on.  I knew I had to change to a cycle and that continuous was no good for me.  I was lucky my consultant didn't bat an eyelid.
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LW44

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Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #1592 on: February 14, 2019, 07:47:36 AM »

Tjsnks Ladybt28 ill have a look,  it was a mid flow not heavy , so not sure if worked its magic :-/ but ive felt extremely tearful since it stopped  for no reason at all.. xx
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Ladybt28

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Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #1593 on: February 14, 2019, 12:02:22 PM »

I get a bit like that LW, but now I know how the cycle goes and that I know these feelings will pass, it is much easier to handle.I suppose I view it like I used to when I was fertile and had proper periods.... that you gets these feelings ....they last a few days and then pass.  This is the first time since meno for me that any of this stuff has been "under control".  Most of the time before the feelings didn't pass they just went like a permanent roller coaster.  I spent about 10 years like that because my hrt was only controlling flushes and nothing else - it just wasnt the right stuff for me.  Now I have to live with what I have because it is so much better than before and I reckon it is the best its gonna be.

It takes some adjustment and acceptance but when I think where I started and where I am now then although not perfect things are so much better. :)   If you can stick with it 3 months - really hard I know - you will get a proper picture and your body wll adjust.  It took me 5 months to get on an even keel and I am now 7 months in but I think the worse the symptoms and the longer they have taken hold maybe it takes longer to balance.
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Tc

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Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #1594 on: February 14, 2019, 12:45:59 PM »

It's a bad day. Just black. I don't know what to do.
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Stellajane

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Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #1595 on: February 14, 2019, 02:10:56 PM »

Good post Ladybt - sometimes we DO have to settle for "the best its gonna be".

Tc - do you take ADs alongside your HRT?  Some women do need both to feel well you know.
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LW44

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Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #1596 on: February 14, 2019, 07:52:42 PM »

Yes thank you Ladybt28  read it quickly today at work, made me feel so much better :-)  thank you so much x
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Hurdity

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Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #1597 on: February 15, 2019, 09:33:33 AM »

Thanks lady so say for instance if I was going to do it today. I would stop taking the u for the next 14 days including tonight and then start on the 15th day for 12 days. After the 12 days on u stop it again for 14    .is that right.
I make that 26 days cycle.
Omg I'm so sorry you must think I'm a right thicko. I'm useless with numbers.

Hi Tc

When I was on a monthly cycle (or should I say 4 weeks = 28 days) I didn't count any of the days as such once I'd got going. I just worked out which days I would have the withdrawal and then just started the prog on the same day of the week each time. For example I would start the progesterone say on a Friday every 4 weeks, take it for the requisite time ( in my original prog Cyclogest it was 11 days as prescribed)  and that gives you the cycle. You never need to worry then about Day 1 or where you are at all. If working and want to feel on top of things then time it so your withdrawal happens at weekends ( in retrospect I think that was what I did!).

Hope you are feeling better today?

Hurdity x
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Hurdity

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Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #1598 on: February 15, 2019, 09:41:48 AM »

Hi reading this thread with interest,  i stopped my utogestan 200mg pessary after 7 days as just couldnt tolerate it.. im progesteone intolerant.  I then had short bleed for 3 days, due back with consultant to discuss.. so was just wondering  what is the least amount of utrogestan you can have and for how short a time? Thanks ladies x

Hi LW44 - how long is a piece of string?

From what I recall (have been away so memory of women's stories has dimmed!) you were taking the prog to thin a thickened lining? You really need to ensure you take sufficient protgesterone to shed what has built up and as such you should consult with your specialist about how you feel and what to do.

As Ladybt says there are some women using a much lower regime quite happily under medical supervision, but Prof Studd's own research has shown that to almost eliminate the chance of endometrial issues (hyperplasia) then 12 days on average per cycle is needed. This is why most HRT preparations give prog for 12-14 days. The risk of hyperplasia increases the fewer days you use it and when used for 7 days I think there were several cases (in the study) of hyperplasia. Obviously we are all individual and hyperplasia does not necessarily lead to cancer and the absolute risk in any case is low - nevertheless any variation from thre licensed regime should be carried out under medical supervision so please do consult your specialiast about this particularly in your case where you are needing to shed the lining (apols if I've got this wrong!). It is so difficult for women who are severely progesterone intolerant and GPs should be able to refer women on to more specialist and individualised treatment so they don't have to suffer nor be forced to seek expensive private treatment.

Hurdity x


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Birdy

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Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #1599 on: February 15, 2019, 10:37:55 AM »

Can someone help please? I used Utrogestan for 17 days (at night, orally). I am post meno. I donít know if the progesterone is to blame but i feel horribly miserable. Crying, depressed, dark thoughts etc. So I stopped using it. On the pack, it says to take it from day 1 to day 25 of cycle. Obviously i donít Have a cycle. My meno specialist said to take it every day.
So wtf do I do? Why is this so bloody difficult?
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Dotty

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Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #1600 on: February 15, 2019, 10:52:56 AM »

Hi Birdy If you are post meno you can take the Utrogestan every day. However, you can still take it sequentially (I think itís for 12 days every month) . If you are getting side effects you can use it vaginally.

Is it the Utrogestan giving you the side effects or are you just experiencing menopausal symptoms? Sometimes itís hard to differentiate xx
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Birdy

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Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #1601 on: February 15, 2019, 11:04:05 AM »

Thank you Dotty.  I have no idea. I have been extremely anxious for what feels like forever. In fact, since starting my HRT journey my mental health has declined rapidly. I have tried Evorel Conti which is when my anxiety became most noticeable. I am now on bio identical compounded HRT with extra Utrogestan which was prescribed to help me sleep.
Why does the sticker on the Utrogestan tell me to take it for 25 days? Itís so confusing!
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Ladybt28

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Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #1602 on: February 15, 2019, 11:31:19 AM »

It is because it has been prescribed to you to take continuously.  Don't let the word "cycle" confuse you. In this case it just means "per month". When using Utrogestan post meno, because we don't have a natural "cycle" provided by our bodies, what happens is that  the hrt hormones (if you have a womb) create a "pretend" one so to speak.  They do what our bodies cannot naturally any more.

As Dotty says post meno women do have a choice. They can take it everyday as prescribed or they can take it for 12-14 days out of a month.  I cant take it continuously I have to do a cycle cos it messes with my head I get permanently depressed and tearful and have dark thoughts.  Although I take it on a cycle now not continuously I still have rough days out of those 12 BUT I know those days will pass and I know what to expect so it is more manageable.

Hurdity is right about getting fixated on which days. but I would say it does get confusing when you start out so I have put this down which might help anyone struggling with days get them in their head.  I started out doing it from 1st of the month and then if you need to adjust further down the line you will be able to do it easier I found.  I now do as she does but it took me 4-5 months to feel comfortable moving my days.  Also you need your body to settle into the cycle because basically we are "tricking" it into a "cycle" our bodies no longer have.

There is an Utrogestan sheet which I was given by the consultant which shows both on a chart:  If you take it as your sticker says you take it from day 1-25 of any month together with your oestrogen. You stop the Utro until you get to the 1st of the month or you can just continue - different GP's/Consultants say different things  about continuous utro.  Both are right.

If you only want to  take it for a shorter period of time because it messes with your head then - here is an example to consider for March.

1st March to 15th of March you use your oestrogen only. On 15th March to 26th March you use 200mg Utrogestan (I suggest  vaginally to minimise side effects) alongside your oestrogen. On 27th of March you just use the oestrogen. On 28th March you are likely to bleed. I  cant say how long you will bleed depends.  So then you just use your oestrogel on its own until you get to15th April.
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Birdy

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Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #1603 on: February 15, 2019, 11:35:45 AM »

Thank you ❤️. My Utrogestan prescription is 100mg. Meno nurse says itís a very low dose. I used Natpro progesterone cream for years but cannot recall feeling this dark. I may have done though.
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Dotty

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Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #1604 on: February 15, 2019, 11:45:32 AM »

Hi Birdy... what oestrogen are you taking with the Utrogestan ? Sorry if youíve already told us this .... x
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