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sheila99

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Newson or hrt tourism?
« on: May 30, 2025, 11:08:18 AM »

So after 2 years wait the nhs meno clinic wants me to try 50mcg lenzetto instead of the 100mcg patch which no longer controls symptoms. I may well absorb differently but it seems highly unlikely half the dose will improve things. I have to have a blood test first but apparently a level of 200 is adequate (many would disagree).
  So now I have the choice of Newson or hrt tourism probably to Spain.
  I can see the headline costs on the newson website but can anyone give me an indication or ongoing costs? £100 every time I want to tweak it? How often bloods required? How much is estradot from their pharmacy? How long before they write to my gp so I can (hopefully) get it on the nhs? Will I need an annual newson appointment? Given that have a mirena and can test levels myself are they likely to add expertise or is the advantage really just the hoped for nhs prescription?
  Does anyone know how much estradot costs in Spain? I believe it's possible to buy OTC in some pharmacies but if anyone could confirm that would be great.
  Thank you for any insight, Newson have a discount for May so I need to make a decision rapidly.
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Mary G

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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2025, 11:33:34 AM »

I'm afraid Estradot is not available in Spain at the moment. 

Someone on here asked me to check for them so I went to the pharmacy and they typed Estradot into the system and the screen said unavailable for all strengths.  The woman in the pharmacy tried to flog me some Evopad but I told her I was asking for someone else!

I found Lenzetto very user friendly but unfortunately it was too weak even with 3 sprays. 

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sheila99

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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2025, 01:02:57 PM »

Thank you Mary, I had thought the oestrogen shortage was a UK problem and the EU had an adequate supply. It seems the Newson pharmacy has them atm but no doubt they'll have gone by the time I get an appointment  :(.
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2025, 01:45:59 PM »

 :thankyou:  Mary G.
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Mary G

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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2025, 01:55:55 PM »

Only Estradot is in short supply in Spain, all other oestrogen products are readily available.

Apparently Sandoz who manufacture Estradot are transitioning production to their site in Germany which is why it's in limited supply globally but it's only temporary. 
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sheila99

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2025, 02:30:41 PM »

MaryG do you any idea of the price of any patches that are also available in the UK? Just to compare to the price in online pharmacies here (which are much more expensive than the price quoted in the Treatments tab here).
  Here they say it'll be next year before they sort out the supply problems.
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Mary G

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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2025, 04:52:19 PM »

If I remember rightly Estradot are more expensive than Evopad which is similar to Evorel.   A box of Estradot was under €20 and Evopad was just under €10.  Oestrogen gel (Oestraclin)  is now about €15.
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sheila99

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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2025, 09:45:29 PM »

Thanks 👍
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bombsh3ll

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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2025, 10:14:30 PM »

Lenzetto is reported to be very weak, and not a clinically appropriate switch at that dose in my opinion for someone still symptomatic on a full strength patch.

Unfortunately that is a common tactic with the NHS, using a change in formulation to covertly lower the dose equivalent prescribed.

Fair enough if the lenzetto was in addition to the patch, although I doubt this would occur on the NHS.

I hope you manage to get something sorted out - I remember the pharmacy crawl in Spain trying to stock up enough patches for the first trimester in case it worked!
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Seasidegirl

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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2025, 07:08:47 AM »

I used Newson to get HRT a year ago (DCIS history so I wanted to be properly advised).   First doctor was really good.   I then had a review 6 months later with a different doctor as the original wasn't available for a few weeks.   I was less impressed with her (the moral of the story is probably book result as the good doctors are booked up!).

They wrote to my GP within a few days,  I've been lucky that my GP took on the prescriptions with no quibble,  including Testosterone.   However if course I now can't get Estradot from the NHS but I have had two batches since January via Newson.  I can't remember the cost but it wasn't terribly expensive (I'll check) I'm treating a thyroid issue that is linked to hormonal swing so I'm desperate not to change products. 

I think in theory,  you shouldn't need much more than an initial consultation and then maybe a review.   I've taken the view that I'm just having to suck up the cost if I want any chance of feeling well after 8 years of issues.    I'm having to self fund my thyroid consultant as well as the NHS says I'm fine  ::)
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Pippa52

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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2025, 09:41:26 AM »

Sheila99 - 88 patches of Estradot 25's were £118.83 a couple of weeks ago.  I had no option but to pay for them as cannot get them on the NHS at the moment.  The pharmacy said that the price has gone up - they are made by Sandoz now apparently and not Novartis. There were no 50's available which is why I had to have the 25's and I believe that works out more expensive too.  Having been changed from pillar to post in the last shortages and actually became pretty unwell I so do not want to have to change patches again and was just about to be switched until the Meno consultant prescribed the above for me.  I have no idea if they will still be available in 3 months time :(
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joziel

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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2025, 09:37:19 PM »

Pippa52, could you not ask for 100s instead and then cut them in half? That would be much cheaper than loads of 25s.  ???

sheila, will answer your questions about Newson...

>can anyone give me an indication or ongoing costs? £100 every time I want to tweak it?

The non-negotiable is the £230 (or is it £270) annual review appointment to stay registered with them. The letter to your GP is included in that. Hopefully your GP will then provide all meds on the NHS - mine was, although now we have the Estradot shortage so I am buying that via Newson at the moment.

If they prescribe you something and it's totally wrong and you want to change product then it's £100 for a phone consult to get that change done. However, they are generous in what they initially prescribe to help you avoid this. For eg - my doctor there gave me 25s, 50s, 75s and 100s at my first appointment, with advice to begin at half a 25 patch and gradually increase if I felt I needed it and if symptoms continued. They didn't give me just one dose. (This was 3 years ago.)

This year I trialled Sandrena when I couldn't absorb more Oestrogel. This was a disaster and all my symptoms came back, so I had to pay £100 for the phone consult and got switched to gel and patch combo which is working. But that's the only time I've needed to pay that £100. If you have a good idea of what products work for you and what doses, it's unlikely you're going to find yourself in that situation. If you just need more meds, you just put through a request direct to the pharmacy as long as it's within a year of your consult.

>How often bloods required?

Only before each annual review appointment. And you can decide where to get them done - as long as they are venous (no finger prick tests). They will accept NHS bloods too. I usually use Randox Health who have a Female Hormones test which you can do at home using the 'Tasso' special collection device on your shoulder, so it doesn't get contaminated like finger prick tests. It's only £45. Otherwise, Medichecks or Lola Health. I've never used Newson's own tests as they are more expensive.

>How much is estradot from their pharmacy?

I just got Estradot 100s, 48 patches, for £140.

>How long before they write to my gp so I can (hopefully) get it on the nhs?

This is usually within a few days of your appointment, you will be sent a copy of the letter. (Their letters to my GP always go missing, so I actually print out the letter and take it in myself personally and hand it to my GP's receptionist. That way I know it is definitely there.)

>Will I need an annual newson appointment?

Yes, if you want to stay registered with them and be able to access meds via their pharmacy.

>Given that have a mirena and can test levels myself are they likely to add expertise or is the advantage really just the hoped for nhs prescription?

It depends what your situation is? If you are just desperately in need of Estradot but totally know what dose you need and everything is fine/no symptoms, then I guess it would be a way to access Estradots now during this shortage and then you could just not renew next year.

My experience with the expertise side of things has been mainly that they will support you, with what you want to do. And they are very willing to give higher than licensed doses of estrogen. I agree with what someone else said, that there is some variability of doctors there. I see Dr Jane Robertson and recommend her.

Personally, I don't trust the NHS continuing to prescribe me the HRT I need and Newson is a safety net for me. If I get a sh*tty NHS GP who refuses to prescribe, I have them to go to. If there are products out of stock (Oestrogel, utrogestan and now Estradots), they will typically always still be able to get them.

I spoke to their admin team about the Estradot situation last week and they said that their pharmacy, CloudRX, has not notified them of any shortages with Estradots and continues to be able to source them. Maybe they are importing them via a different route or from a country which still has them, no idea....
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Minusminnie

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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2025, 07:49:36 AM »

Wow that all just takes your breath away.
I imagine CloudRX are paying top dollar for remaining supplies.
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joziel

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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2025, 02:19:44 PM »

Yeah, it shouldn't be like this. There shouldn't be a plentiful supply if you can pay for it and none on the NHS. I do question Brexit, in all this...

But like Louise Newson herself says, she wishes  the need for her clinic didn't exist. She wishes the NHS would be adequate in providing the healthcare women need. Unfortunately it isn't. It is keeping women sick. So better her clinic exists than doesn't...
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2025, 04:08:39 PM »

Yeah, it shouldn't be like this. There shouldn't be a plentiful supply if you can pay for it and none on the NHS. I do question Brexit, in all this...

But like Louise Newson herself says, she wishes  the need for her clinic didn't exist. She wishes the NHS would be adequate in providing the healthcare women need. Unfortunately it isn't. It is keeping women sick. So better her clinic exists than doesn't...
Yes, Dr Louise Newson gets very frustrated with the silly barriers the NHS put up for ladies who need treatment.
I use Evorel, I never used estradot, I knew it was in short supply, but i did not know, only those who can buy it privately can get it, that stinks  >:(
I've used Newson in November and March and they are quick. My only complaint with them, is that I wish they would make their policies clear on their website, such as the £100 call if you need to speak to a Newson Dr, it's not listed.
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