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[Angelasurrey]

I’m glad I brought a smile to your face  . I reckon sometimes we need a personal chef at home to cater for everyone’s needs.
Yummy.. 😋I love chippy tea. I hope it’s lovely.
 Hubby can be fussier with meals than the kids which drives me bonkers . Crispy Chick, as long as the kids are fed and loved then we’ve got through the day!


Sorry that you are having the low mood and mood issues it’s really frustrating. It’s interesting and positive that you are able to see what’s causing the issues almost as an observer. I had microgynon when I was young for heavy bleeding.

Great advice about taking each day as it comes. I’m positive we will find some sort of relief. Just need to keep going and listen to our bodies ( easier said than done)!

[Angelasurrey]

Gilla, sorry to hear about the insomnia. I totally get where you are coming from. Sleep is a necessity not a luxury. It’s so hard when everyone else is sleeping and you are wide awake for days . I have  to agree with you about the cramps and insomnia. I’ve deferred a Work project as I just can’t function on such little sleep.

I just think anything that makes life easier try and go for it.. whilst we have got all this going on It might help. It’s hard for anyone whose not going through this to really understand. So lucky and great to you all in this  thread ❤️. 

I think go with your gut instinct/ intuition, as I think we are more in tune with our bodies than we sometimes think. 🤗
Xx

[CrispyChick]

Omg.... My scalp is soooo tingly and sore today.
I've had this on and off for years, avd was pretty certain it's hormonal. Ouchie. Day 13 of microgynon. It's bloody agony. Weird weird symptom.

I think it's prog does it - I didn't get it with the hrt trial until I added prog.

Plod through it. 😬

[MadameOvary]

Oh Gilla, sorry you've hit a rough patch. My insomnia is back too. I'm in what would be the 2nd half of my cycle when I would usually have terrible insomnia so it's nothing I'm not used to. I'm getting back to sleep OK but I'm waking up 3 or 4 times from about 2am until my alarm goes off. I'm knackered but I don't feel as bad as I did pre-Qlaira.

Crispy the microgynon doesn't sound like fun! Are you going to ride it out for 3 months to give it a chance?

[CrispyChick]

You don't feel as bad as you did pre-qlaira is a brilliant statement madame ovary. One to hold on to.

I'm day 15 of microgynon. Not great, by any stretch but plodding on. I've had horrific side affects from every pill I've tried and I was a disaster on nothing, so I think I'll plod on. Very early days.

My scalp is settling down now. It was horrible. Perhaps some form of migraine, not sure. Now I'm shaky, slightly nauseous, low appetite and my mood is up and down... But still... I'll hang in there. I need to see how I get in 3 months. I'm not taking any breaks. When I took breaks when trialling pills last year, the break really knocked me.

Oh... And I'm getting a bit of insomnia too. I don't normally suffer from that. Just joining the club. 🤣

[Aveline]

Glad to hear things are going well for some of you. Sorry to hear not so much for others

I have about a week to decide which of the scripts I'm going to fill. At this point I'm tempted to try the Zoely again even though I thought it was causing my horrendous anxiety at the time. Despite being off it for 2 months I'm finding the anxiety is all still there so maybe it was just a coincidence and it didn't affect me too badly in other ways.

Alternately I can try Microgynan which used to give me horrendous stomach cramps and make me go to the bathroom a lot

Yaz, which I was all set to try then found out it's not recommended for people with IBS as it's more likely to cause problems in that area.

Qlaira-only hesitation I have with this is that I get really sick in the stomach when I ovulate and for at least 4 days before my period. Being on my period is also really rough tummy wise. I'm concerned the up and down of hormones rather than a level stream will continue to cause effects. My poor stomach has been in all sorts since all this hormonal stuff started. I can tell it's hormone related because I keep getting acne flares at the same times (isn't life grand? Pimples AND wrinkles! I'm too old for this!!)

Or try the Zoely again.

Sigh. I change my mind on a daily basis lol.

[CrispyChick]

Hi Aveline, I was wondering what you had decided.

It is difficult when you have tried many of them before. I'm the same. I got to the point where my go said I should try the best of a bad bunch. Lol

I'm trying the microgynon because some of the more estrogenic ones gave me migraines or a poisoned feeling (which I got with estradiol in hrt - so assume too much estrogen at the moment).

So I guess it's weighing up which side affects are least bothersome... And give it a good trial and hope they go away.

I only got to week 5 on microgynon before, so I'm determined to get to the 3 month mark this time... Lots of symptoms at the mo... But they are side affects rather than my own issues... So I'm hoping that's a good sign!

Good luck with what you pick. We can all do this. We're doing it to feel good long term 😁

On a positive, after 7 days ovulation is suppressed... No more ovulation pain (yay!!!)

[Gilla999]

Hi all - well aren't we just the insomnia club!! In my own situation I have realised this week that I think there are multiple things contributing to it and this comes back to what we've said before about it being hard to pinpoint one root cause. I am sure that my hormones at least significantly contribute to it (because of tracking it on my calendar for a year) but I've realised it's probably being aggravated sometimes by other stuff including other medication and the current world situation! The last week has been a bit better so just plodding on.

MadameOvary glad to hear that it has helped your mood swings significantly so far - that's at least a great step! Crispy I'm glad the scalp sensation has gone, I've never heard of that one before?? How's the rage? 

Aveline I'm obviously an advocate of Zoely and haven't had any mood symptoms whatsoever and chose it for the reasons you mention, but I know people react very differently. Just one thing to say because you mention you have IBS is that my digestive system is still totally up the spout since starting it - it's becoming a bit problematic. But again, I'm sure slobbing around all day with no exercise is not helping that.

As Crispy says it's all about weighing up which side effects are the least bothersome and then riding out the initial 3-4 months.

Take care ladies xx

[CrispyChick]

Updates anyone???

Aveline, what did you go for?

That's me 3 weeks into microgynon. It's not been easy. Looking on the positives I don't have too many of the high estrogen side affects I have had on other pills and whilst on nothing - no migraines, no dizziness, no real nausea, no sore boobs. 

I am still getting bad side affects, namely; anxiety (where I go all jittery and shaky and need to burn some energy) and low moods. The mood thing is weird. It comes over me, lasts a few hours, then lifts again. A few hours hours later it can happen again. I've been experimenting with the time I take the pill, but not convinced it matters.

Also a bit fatigued and yucky today. And often a bit narky/impatient.

So... I'm not taking a break, so into month 2...could get better, or could find it bad, as many say month 2 is worse.

Plodding on...

[MadameOvary]

Sorry you're still getting a lot of negative side effects Crispy.

All still going well here on Qlaira. My insomnia is still a problem but everything else is fine. I'm just coming to the end of month 2.

[Shannonplussed]

Hi all. I was trying to suppress my hormones with 4 pumps estrogel and Mirena. After a month, I was feeling perhaps more stable but I had put on some weight and didn’t feel noticeably different. My resting heart rate was stable for a full month which was really neat to see. I had in the back of my mind how my drs really didn’t want me using that much Estrogel. Boobs felt full and somewhat tender. I had intended to try it for 3 months, or at least two, but the 2 pumps twice a day and going through so much gel was getting to me. I was getting palpitations right after my evening application time. (I never had any breakthrough bleeding on this high dose.)

 I dropped back to two pumps and my boobs feel better. Mood not great at times—I can really relate to CrispyChick with feelings of rage at times and irritable most of the time. I used to have the jittery box of frogs feeling but not lately. I felt low for a few days and then started spotting—makes sense as my dose was halved. Feeling mentally better after the spotting. Now I have palpitations at random times, including right after  application time. I can’t say I felt better on a higher dose than a medium dose. Sleep was the same across the board but mercifully I don’t share the woes of insomnia. I think I feel the same overall, although my boobs feel better and down a few pounds on 2 pumps. Mental health has been my foremost concern and it’s a draw there, too. I feel lower right now, but on a high dose I was likelier to cry. I sure wish I could pinpoint what exactly causes the occasional rage because that’s got to stop. I wondered if it was the testosterone but I recall a scary outburst last summer when I wasn’t taking any. (I was taking a break from everything, actually then.) I’m hoping that the act of the decrease has caused the lower mood and I can ride this out. Shift work, Covid, lots of contributing factors.

I wonder if the palpitations are worth investigating. Definitely have them on a high dosage, no dosage, and in between. On occasion but tending to having them daily lately. Just because of fluctuations?

[CrispyChick]

So, madame ovary, I'm just checking back on the thread as that's me at end of pack one... At the end of your first pack you said you could feel your pmt symptoms etc... And now, at end of pack 2, you're saying everything is good (apart from the insomnia)

So, I'm taking from this that things have improved since the end of pack one...

I'm hopeful. Right now I don't feel amazing. Slightly dizzy and nauseous. Terrible low moods and anxious. Moving into month 2 and I'm hoping for improvement...!

Shannon, are you open to trying the pill instead of the high level hrt??? Sorry, you probably explained before xx

[Shannonplussed]

CrispyChick I am open to it, but since I have the Mirena I want to try to make the best of that first. Maybe my best is accepting some bad days. 

[MadameOvary]

I think that's right Crispy. I think month 2 was better. I've just started pack 3.i definitely feel best at the beginning of the pack when there are several higher estrogen and no/low progesterone days. I think it's the only time I sleep really well. But I still feel pretty good for the rest of the month. It's just the insomnia that's still a problem. Having said that, I used to get insomnia where I'd wake up and not go back to sleep for the rest of the night. Whereas now I wake up several times in the night/wee hours but I go back to sleep quickly. So it's broken sleep rather than insomnia.
Other than that, still all good 

[Gilla999]

MadameOvary I'm really glad to hear things are going relatively well for you. I'm midway through pack 4 (have taken no breaks) and just passed the two month mark since starting taking it. Over the last two weeks I've had two "episodes" of my really bad night sweats and waking at about midnight /1am unable to get back to sleep. Each episode lasts for about 4 nights, so basically most of the last two weeks has been pretty rubbish, which is hard to process after having an amazing 5 weeks of no problems whatsoever before that. I'm feeling pretty low and just wish I understood what was going on. When it happens the night sweats are so bad that my sheets are totally wet and need changing every night (grim!) and I'm not normally a sweaty person at all. When it happens it's also accompanied by cramps in the mornings so it does still feel like something hormonal could be going on, but then again the cramps could also be because I've been totally constipated since starting taking it in early December (I've had to do tests and blood tests this week). I've also put on another half a stone since starting Zoely, so all in all feeling pretty rubbish! Am really hoping it's just a blip and/or that the tests will shed some light on what's going on. Hope everyone is doing a bit better than me