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bear

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Re: HRT supply issues update on all Products see link
« Reply #195 on: September 10, 2019, 01:18:57 PM »

You're welcome, Hurdity.

For anyone who might be interested...
https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-assigns-B2-CFR-to-IWH-UK-Finco-Limited--PR_375155

The important bit:

More negatively, the B2 rating also reflects (1) an overall limited scale with revenues of around $270 million on a last twelve months (LTM) basis; (2) the company's reliance upon a more limited set of products to drive growth over the life of the loan facilities; (3) lack of track record as a stand-alone group operator with some uncertainties over central costs and standalone operations; (4) a degree of execution risk as Theramex exits from the ownership of Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd (Baa3 negative) and evolves into a stand-alone entity; (5) the risk of supply chain shortages as Theramex is a pure sales & marketing organization.


Hi Jari,

Not really, actually I wasn't looking for them, I deal with pharma business and that job position appeared on my Linkedin notifications.

I think Theramex said it's going to take a while to sort the adhesive and test the new patch, 2020 probably.

BeaR.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2019, 02:55:20 PM by BeaR »
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Hurdity

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Re: HRT supply issues update on all Products see link
« Reply #196 on: September 10, 2019, 06:36:59 PM »

There is a dedicated thread to issues around Femseven so bear you might want to post your detailed info about the company on that thread so that Femseven users may read and benefit, as this thread is more about the general issue of shortages and for updating about products. Just a thought. I'll hunt and bump...

Huridty x
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KiltedCupid

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Re: HRT supply issues update on all Products see link
« Reply #197 on: September 10, 2019, 06:53:48 PM »

BeaR - thank you for this info, really detailed and helpful. I've recently used fem7 sequi and been least ‘hurt' by the prog element therein. Just my luck they're out of stock for a while!
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bear

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« Reply #198 on: September 10, 2019, 07:29:17 PM »

BeaR - thank you for this info, really detailed and helpful. I've recently used fem7 sequi and been least ‘hurt' by the prog element therein. Just my luck they're out of stock for a while!

Hi KiltedCupid,

I like your username and sense of humour  :)

I see from another post that you have tried all progestogens available? For how long have you been trying different HRT?

BeaR.




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KiltedCupid

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« Reply #199 on: September 10, 2019, 07:43:07 PM »

Thank you BeaR - my name is from a wedding planning business I was trying to establish but which my ex kept trying to sabotage as it didn't suit his agenda. Upshot - I got rid of him!

Aaanyhoo, I'm well post meno and tried everything, and I mean everything since around age 48/49 (now 57) except the ‘prem' hrt. After long and weary trials I've established I just can't tolerate prog anymore. Fem7 was least hurtful but I was only using half patch and after 2 weeks, I really couldn't function.
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bear

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« Reply #200 on: September 10, 2019, 08:32:19 PM »

Thank you BeaR - my name is from a wedding planning business I was trying to establish but which my ex kept trying to sabotage as it didn't suit his agenda. Upshot - I got rid of him!

Aaanyhoo, I'm well post meno and tried everything, and I mean everything since around age 48/49 (now 57) except the ‘prem' hrt. After long and weary trials I've established I just can't tolerate prog anymore. Fem7 was least hurtful but I was only using half patch and after 2 weeks, I really couldn't function.

Oh dear, I'm sorry to hear about your marriage, still great sense of humour, yay!
I see you have a thread on your progesterone intolerance. Off to read.

Bear.
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Hurdity

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Re: HRT supply issues update on all Products see link
« Reply #201 on: September 11, 2019, 04:25:24 PM »

Seems there's a problem with the company and efficacy of the product?!

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Like I said - all the info about the product is in this thread including the replies from Theramex about the reformulation: https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,42226.0.html

Information on product availability is being regularly provided by the main menopause organisations/doctors - the BMS and Dr Louise Newson for example.

Hurdity x
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Hurdity

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Re: HRT supply issues update on all Products see link
« Reply #202 on: September 11, 2019, 04:52:32 PM »

By the way - heard a great podcast today (apols if it's been posted before!) from 8th September

https://play.acast.com/s/standardissuespodcast/66f9ef23-344c-463f-a424-eb1d0f42668b?autoplay

"SIM Ep 274 Chops 120: The HRT crisis

With women all over the country struggling to get their HRT prescriptions filled, are we in a women's health crisis? As part of our special series about the menopause, Hannah chats to Dr Anne Henderson about what is causing the HRT shortage, what women can do if they are affected and what the rest of us can do to help. They also chat about the paper recently printed in the Lancet linking HRT to breast cancer, and Hannah learned something about how few doctors receive training in the menopause at all.
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Consultant gynaecologist Dr Anne Henderson was interviewed and her view of the shortages was illuminating to say the least.

Again apols if this has all been said already.

The main points were:

1  Current HRT shortages are nothing to do with Brexit despite reports in the media. She says many of the products now out of stock or in short supply are not manufactured in the EU but eg China and US so should be unaffected by (no-deal/trade agreement Brexit). By contrasts, Besins which manufactures our HRT in Belgium - ie in EU has plentiful supplies of its products. She says the issue is EU wide and once stock in other EU countries has been exhausted then it will affect these countries too until supply is increased.

2  She laid the blame for UK shortages at the feet of Govt and the major pharmaceutical companies who have "dropped the ball"- but sounds like the Dept of Health. She says that specific government departments at the DoH closely monitor prescribing trends in all drugs - for obvious reasons - and pass the info to the pharmas who can then anticipate trends towards increased use and consequently increase production. Menopause specialists have known for 18-24 months that there has been an increase in women seeking advice on menopause and being prescribed HRT (my comment - maybe as a result of NICE Guidelines?) and this has not been picked up by Government and the main pharma companies who produce most of the market share - notably Janssen and Mylan. Janssen has something 40 % of the market share for patches. The minor problem re Femseven wasn't mentioned so may well be insignificant compared with these big companies in terms of the current shortages. She said that the big companies' were not producing niche products (as they had a large market share) so when their supply is drying up then it has had a very quick domino effect on other products ( aside from Femseven - a different issue - but hasn't helped at this time!).

Anyway she said a lot more but these were the main points about the role of the DoH - she basically said that someone somewhere hasn't been doing their job because the infrastructure and system is there to ensure that this sort of thing doesn't happen.

Hope I have captured her main points accurately! Do listen for yourself if you have time. The Lancet paper was mentioned briefly too.

Food for thought?

Hurdity x

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orrla

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Re: HRT supply issues update on all Products see link
« Reply #203 on: September 11, 2019, 08:47:46 PM »

Hi!

I would be easy to blame someone in DoH but if this situation is similar in whole Europe then it's nothing to do with DoH in UK.

It looks like producer that dominates market got complacent and screwed up....?

For sure, they all now seem to point fingers at each other. Will take months before we'll know.
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Hurdity

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Re: HRT supply issues update on all Products see link
« Reply #204 on: September 12, 2019, 07:46:03 AM »

Yes good point but depends I suppose also on UK market share too? I got the impression that they (menoexperts and gynaes) didn't know exactly at this stage but a combination of factors involving DoH and Pharma - hopefully at some point they will tell us!

Hurdity x
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paisley

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Re: HRT supply issues update on all Products see link
« Reply #205 on: September 12, 2019, 02:59:52 PM »

I live in Spain & there isn't a shortage of HRT from the  same manufactures as UK so why should there be a shortage in UK?
Something is wrong somewhere
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bear

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« Reply #206 on: September 12, 2019, 03:43:52 PM »

I live in Spain & there isn't a shortage of HRT from the  same manufactures as UK so why should there be a shortage in UK?
Something is wrong somewhere

Hi paisley,

Do you know if there is an equivalent of FemSeven in Spain, produced by Theramex?

BeaR.
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pepperminty

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Re: HRT supply issues update on all Products see link
« Reply #207 on: September 12, 2019, 06:19:00 PM »

Hi Ladies,

do we know/ is there a prediction on when supply will be back to normal?

Call me cynical but I wonder if the recent scare mongering head lines on HRT were timed to get rid of a few users?- therefore reducing demand. Just a thought.

Peppermintyx
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KiltedCupid

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« Reply #208 on: September 12, 2019, 11:53:15 PM »

BeaR - sadly not. And I've searched! Nada, not even a similar product.

I'd love to be proved wrong.
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paisley

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Re: HRT supply issues update on all Products see link
« Reply #209 on: September 13, 2019, 01:56:35 PM »

BearR
No they don't. In Spain they do estradot & evopad which is the brand name for elleste solo
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