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mags

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Re: feeling dreadful
« Reply #315 on: November 29, 2013, 09:51:10 AM »

Bev-there is no need for you to feel ashamed- you hadn't chosen not to want to go out in the garden for ages- you are ill and it isn't your fault- anyway you did it and  that's a big step,  even bigger is the fact that you agreed to see a client - that's fantastic :congrats:  It does sound as though the sertraline is starting to work for you.   I know I got my hair cut the other day, but to be honest I didn't feel wonderful- I went down moodwise later that day- I need to wash it but really can't be bothered.
I still don't  have much appetite- I try to nibble during the day then have a small meal at night if I can manage it. I have been going downstairs  a little bit more  but still find it hard- and yes,
 sometimes go down in the evenings.
Yest I went for a little drive with hubby as he was doing  a job in a nearby village, I went into the supermarket and seeing all the Christmas stuff sent me into a downwards spiral-  I had a little look in some of the other shops nearby but really could not be bothered and had no interest in anything- so came home feeling  even more flat and depressed and my anxiety went into overdrive- feeling much the same today :(  I'm waffling on now!
So pleased that you are  improving-that's brilliant-keep it up ;)  Love Magsxx
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Bracken willowshimmer

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Re: feeling dreadful
« Reply #316 on: November 29, 2013, 10:49:08 AM »

Hi ladies, I hope you don't mind me posting. Just wanted to say I am new on here and read your posts everyday.  I think it is lovely how you support each other and some of your posts make me laugh, especially About DSB.

I am 41 and have been in this horrible peri menopause journey since the start of this year.  I suffer much the same symptoms such as anxiety, panic attacks etc, at times I feel like I am going mad.  I am on Sertraline, just increased it to 75 mg, from 50 but feel like my symptoms are getting worse instead of better.  Any advice with regards to the sertraline would be appreciated?  Did you feel worse when you increased it and have any of you suffered with headaches since the increase?
Thanks for your help love Sarah. Xx
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mags

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« Reply #317 on: November 29, 2013, 11:17:14 AM »

Hi Sarahm, and welcome to the forum- without it I would have gone crazy,  Just knowing that others  are in the same boat is such a help and everyone on here is so supportive.
How long have you been on the increased dose for? I am on week 4 of my increase and  haven,t had that magic moment yet, but have had minor improvements. It is a very slow acting drug  and the symptoms can appear to worsen before they get better- I didn't have headaches with the increase but a little more nausea and still don't have much appetite-I think my anxiety may have increased  a bit too but that may just be me-It's hard to tell sometimes.   Bev is very knowledgeable on the sertraline and a few weeks ahead of me so I am sure she will be along with some advice. You will get lots of great support on here- thinking of you and a :bighug: Love Magsxx
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bev567901

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Re: feeling dreadful
« Reply #318 on: November 29, 2013, 12:05:30 PM »

Hi Sarah, Thank you for that  ;D  I have had really bad side affects on sertraline & they got worse when I upped from 50mg to 100mg. One SE is really bad headaches & then when I get my cycle they are even worse as headaches at that time are normal for me.  The sertraline made me feel a lot worse anxiety wise & much more down at the start of taking it plus I had a few strange worries that are really odd & not like me. I noticed a difference at 6 weeks so it is not a quick fix. Not sure how long you have been taking it. I have been on it since Sept 21st. From what I have read it does get worse before it gets better but when it does work it is really good. I had got really bad though maybe if I had got it earlier this year my recovery might have been better & quicker.
I am sorry you are going through the same thing, do your bloods show up peri & do you get HRT as well? I am 10 yrs older than you nearly & have had a really big struggle to get any treatment at all.I was so scared when I first started on it due to SE's & then when it got increased I struggled again. I really hated taking it every morning but I am very happy to do it now. I take it the same time every day about 7am, there was one day I forgot & was 4 hrs late & my gastro SE's where bad at that time but taking it later seemed to have an even worse affect. All I can say is plod on with it & do whatever it takes to get you through each day, I was desperate for bed time at the beginning just to get another day over with but now there is more life quality. Stupid things would stress me out all of a sudden but I am much more even now & capable.
Its horrible isn't it to not recognise yourself anymore & go from someone else to someone you don't recognise all due to hormones. Has your doctor been good with you? Also do you have diazepam to take with it? It seems very normal to prescribe a high dose when you first start taking it to help with the SE's. I worried I would get addicted but don't rely on them anymore like I used to so that is how it should be. I am glad you can join the sertraline club but sad that you are going through the same thing.  Tell us a bit more about yourself I am so glad I have found this website & all the information that goes with it. Its also nice to know you are not going mad either & not alone xxxxx
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bev567901

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Re: feeling dreadful
« Reply #319 on: November 29, 2013, 12:37:34 PM »

Afternoon Mags!! You got out though ;D I think it would be normal to go out & not feel amazing & it might take a while until normal happiness returns. The fact is you went. I had every intention of doing the same today but haven't managed it so I am sat here showered, hair done & not gone anywhere yet. Might just go for a drive & not get out of the car. I think you under estimate how well you are doing, I think if you continue with your adventures you will get to that magical time when you do feel happy to be out & enjoy yourself. It might seem inconceivable at the moment  but I bet you are reporting that before very long at all. I think every day is hard & some are worse than others but you are still working on it & haven't given up.  It is a shame Christmas is near just to add to it all but I keep thinking at least it is not Summer & I am missing out on lovely sunny days. I bet you do something tomorrow, Saturday always seems a good day for you. Maybe go out via the pub (it is the weekend!) have a glass of wine en route. Don't hold me responsible for any dodgy purchases though ;D  xx
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mags

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Re: feeling dreadful
« Reply #320 on: November 29, 2013, 01:29:21 PM »

Hi Bev-you are right- I think I do underestimate myself (being a born pessimist doesn't help) :(   I think what is really worrying me is that this year the anxiety and depression has been relentless whereas before that it would last a few days and then I would very quickly go back to feeling allright again- but that isn't happening now- I wonder if the HRT I  was on for five months  and coming off it suddenly( on my GP'S advice)  at the same  as coming off Prozac has messed up my system :-\ :-\
Also since then being on Mirtazapine and now sertraline may have contributed-who knows !   Hope that you do manage to get out for a little drive-that's a really good idea-even if you do just stay in the car.   Yes the days are hard to get through and I still look forward to bedtime and oblivion.
Your garden sounds idyllic-I forgot to say before.   It must be lovely having the stream as well- the dogs and children must love it!  I have a relatively big garden but not as huge as yours sounds-  it has lots of little nooks and crannies as I like to call them-  we have two lawns but lots of little paths leading here and there and a nice secluded area where we sit out in the summer -It's hidden from view by a hedge of winter jasmine and a cherry tree which is nice.  we  were lucky in that the previous owners had it landscaped by the local garden centre- as it was  a new house then.    Are you still considering a little feline friend after seeing the tabby cat the other day?   Hope your afternoon goes well, Love Magsxx
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Re: feeling dreadful
« Reply #321 on: November 29, 2013, 03:08:28 PM »

Mags-  :bighug:hang on in there.
It will come.X

Bev  :bighug:the sertraline seems to be doing something,that's brilliant!X


Sarahm - :bighug: hang on in there.
I've not been on sertraline but Mirtazapine and I am finally back to my old self.
I know ADs work differently and some take longer than others.X
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Bracken willowshimmer

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Re: feeling dreadful
« Reply #322 on: November 29, 2013, 03:10:13 PM »

Hi Bev and Mags

I have been on Sertraline since February.  I was so frightened to take it that for a long time I only took 25mg,  I upped it to 50mg a couple of months ago, then about two weeks ago upped it to 75g.  Since then symptons seem to have got worse, I am worried I am going to be stuck like this forever!

Haven't had much luck with doctors.  They tell me blood tests are unreliable, they won't prescribe HRT as I get migraine with aura, so apart from the AD's, there doesn't seem to be anything else they can do. 

Any advice you can give me would be appreciated.  Are you both in peri and how long for and what are your symptoms (hope you don't mind me asking). 

Love Sarah xx
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Re: feeling dreadful
« Reply #323 on: November 29, 2013, 04:16:15 PM »

Blood tests are unreliable.  Sarah, one can send a personal message to Dr Currie on here ......... for advice.

I feel better today <phew> ........ anyone who is trying to rush, don't  ;).  When I decided in the 1990s that I wanted to feel well again I wanted it yesterday but the medication took it's time.  As did my courage to trust in the meds and eventually, I realised that I felt well for the first time in ages.  Little steps.  The brain/body don't get where they are suddenly so it takes time for them to respond to medication.

As for eating, graze .......... we are hard wired through up-bringing to eat at certain times, I have always eaten when hungry which rarely fitted in with anyone else  ;D  :D
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mags

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Re: feeling dreadful
« Reply #324 on: November 29, 2013, 04:38:33 PM »

Hi sarah, so you have been on the sertraline for quite a while then, did the lower doses of 25 and  50 help at all?
I   know just what you mean about feeling stuck- I am just the same and s  till waiting for the higher dose to give me a sustained lift.   I am 57 and post meno, and started peri around 8 yrs ago, my main symptoms were nausea, feelings of dread, panic, anxiety which used to coincide with periods but were on and off- since my periods stopped around 2 yrs ago the symptoms have carried on and I now have hot flushes with panicky feelings . This last year the symptoms have been continuous.     Could you possibly find a more sympathetic gp?  and maybe ask to be referred to a meno clinic or maybe have
counselling/CBT,  I have just started CBT and finding it quite good  Hoping you get some relief soon and sending you big hugs, Love Mags :) :)
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Re: feeling dreadful
« Reply #325 on: November 29, 2013, 05:41:52 PM »

Hi Mags, I felt bad whilst I was out and bad when I was at home so it didn't really matter where I was. But I found that at least going out made the day go quicker. The quicker the days go, the faster you get to the medication working. (if that makes any sense).
Hope you have a good day tomorrow.
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bev567901

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« Reply #326 on: November 29, 2013, 06:09:18 PM »

Hi Sarah, I think 25mg is a pretty low dose of sertraline. From what I understand some people do get good results from low doses but 100mg is more the average theraputic dose. I think people who start off low up it by 25mg every week until they are on a higher dose. I think the maximum is 200mg. You have to do what your doctor thinks is right for you, I think I would hesitate to go over 100mg myself but would consider 125mg now I have more confidence in it. The fact you have migraines must be hard as it gives me really bad headaches so not sure if you are having more migraines post sertraline. I think all the SE's do die off gradually though but it does take time & when you up the dose they come back.  I have only worked all this out from googling & reading things on the net as it terrified me the first day I took it & for many weeks actually. You are on 75mg though now so its a good dose & maybe in another couple of weeks you might feel more benefit. Its such a slow acting drug I think a lot of people stop it before giving it a chance, I am too stubborn to have gone through all the nasty stuff with it to give it up.  I keep a journal too & record stuff. If I look back on the early days its quite sad.
You ask how all this started. I turned 50 & had my first early period a month later which came as a shock as I am a 28 day exactly girl. It took me a good few mths to think meno. Next came palpitations which caused me anxiety. Visits to docs (male) where rubbish. Then the anxiety got slowly worse until I felt like I did in pregnancy only with quads. I had nausea all day & night, I stopped sleeping properly, then panic attacks. I stopped going on long journeys then I found I could not eat I felt so ill but forced myself. Between Feb-Sept I was back & forth to docs, a blood test said no meno. They tested me for ulcers & all sorts of samples got given & lost by the NHS. Early Sept saw me going to the docs & being told there was nothing wrong with me & it was then I came home & hit rock bottom basically.  After that I got the sertraline & Benzo's. As well as all the above I was getting much worse period pain & never knowing when it was coming was awful, the nausea would be even worse just before a period, hair falling out, hot,  Dizziness, wobbly aching legs, acid stomach, tummy upset. It is like the symptoms you have the day before a period pre peri are now every day of the month. Its fine to feel poorly for just one day, you can cope & have an early night.
What I have learnt from here is blood tests are unreliable. I have asked them to do another one for me last week & we shall see what the difference is between the last one. Lets hope there is a big difference & we can shout it from the roof tops & tell all these poor ladies unable to get help that they are not going mad. If it comes back no meno again I shall seek out private treatment or an NHS meno clinic.
I know nothing about HRT other than it might take a few types to get the right one & it takes time. There are risks but to be brutally honest I don't want another year like this one. There may be types that are ok for migraine sufferers. I don't think most GP's have a huge knowledge of everything unless you are very lucky. My daughter has a heart condition & if I ever go to the GP with her they are terrified & usually ask me what I think would be the best thing to prescribe for her. If she is very poorly we go straight to Alder Hey hospital not even our local hospital would be safe. I really think there should be more Meno specialists who know what all the symptoms are & can give better advice. If I can't get much help & I am very average age wise for it what is a 30 year old going through it early going to get told. I can't imagine how horrible that must be.
Anyway HTH's. If your appetite is poor my one big piece advice is force yourself & have an extra meal each day if necessary. Eat what you fancy. Just like in pregnancy I have had cravings for things & as an ex veggie to want chicken drumsticks & pork pies is pretty odd. I also have been wanting pickled onions. I found one under the bed the other day  ;D  Also do keep a journal it has helped me hugely. xxxx
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bev567901

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Re: feeling dreadful
« Reply #327 on: November 29, 2013, 06:28:44 PM »

Mags it does sound like your system may be confused. Maybe a few months are needed for all to settle & let the sertraline do its job in it's snail like way & wait. It must be horrible to go from good spells to feeling bad all the time. Maybe its your hormones last curtain call & then.............peace ;D   We need to keep positive & think in just a few weeks it will be the New Year & we can look forward to the snowdrops & then before long you will be sat in your lovely garden enjoing that first lovely flush of Spring & butterflies. Its taken a while to get like this so it will take a while to climb back up is what I keep thinking. If its quicker than that lets all dance around our handbags in celebration.  Here's to a good weekend, can't wait to hear what you get up to.  I think you will do your usual Mags thing & shock us all. xx 
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bev567901

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« Reply #328 on: November 29, 2013, 06:32:38 PM »

CLKD I have to agree on the patience thing with the meds & little steps. And with the eating thing, an empty stomach can give you all sorts of strange symptoms. My husband gets very cross when he is hungry, I just feel poorly. I never let myself get hungry now xx
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« Reply #329 on: November 29, 2013, 08:45:14 PM »

 :thankyou:  how many times do I go round supermarkets and notice children crying ....... because they are HUNGRY and want feeding now, instinctively ....... whereas we have to fit in with others  ::) - well I won't now.  If my body needs feeding then I try to accommodate it  ;).  I get irritable when hungry.  Tired too.
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