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[Vicky81]

I am afraid that for some of us reading Vicky's posts it would appear that she is self medicating. Vicky has some history of doing exactly this, taking over the forum and not taking any of the advice that she is given here, albeit only from personal experiences from members, as CLKD mentions, we are not medics here.

This is the second time since I have been on the forum that Vicky has proved to be a very disruptive member. As she explained previously she seems to have a team of medics looking after her, why use this forum to go against their advice.

Ayshea im not disruptive at all, dont read my posts if they upset you.
I dont self medicate not that I nedd to explain.
Im a medic myself abd also work for the CQC. . my GPS are brilliant and understand my withdrawal also from my previous antidepressant.  I do have sensitivities just like crispy and I agree with her 100 percent. Not everyone is the same or has the sane knowledge. Im not reading anymore unkindness because that's not the way I am with others. So I'd rather you didn't message me please I wish you all the best x

[Vicky81]

Clkd - I only wish I could find someone to help with my extreme extreme sevsitivities. I'm struggling to carry on 

I wholeheartedly agree with everyone who says Vicky needs to stop chopping and changing. And yes, we do all keep saying it. Myself included.


But I also understand absolute desperation and extreme (unusual) side affects.

I just want Vicky to feel welcome. Noone knows who Vicky is, what support she has, what her GP offers etc ..  all we know is there is a desperate lady looking for support.

I've had tremendous support on my most recent thread. Many of these ladies have supported me over the years and always take time to comment on my threads.

Let's show Vicky the same compassion. That's all.

But yes Vicky - stick with one thing. Lclegg has given u good advice in there.  X

Crispy along with yourself I have great support on here ....mostly in private messaging . You've always been kind and as I said earlier my GPS are brilliant s im going through a withdrawal too which isn't easy roman antidepressant that I came off too quickly ...guided by GP....cough.
I've had to change my progesterone as my anger levels which are my worst peri symptoms git very serious. So GP told me to switch straight away so I chose cerelle. And let's see a f hope this is the one . Lots of love to you crispy xxx

[Vicky81]

Hey Vicky, firstly to say I one million percent understand your desperation to find a regime that works for you, I have been there and at times felt like giving up, it’s been so so hard, I can’t even really put into words how hard it’s been and how unwell I’ve been but I really think you need to only be changing one thing at a time otherwise how are you going to know what is and isn’t working? Cerelle/desogestrel is less likely to fully suppress your cycle compared to Slynd unless you double up. I’ve been on this regime and know. Slynd is VERY good at suppressing your cycle, my fsh and lh on this are incredibly low, therefore if your aim is to suppress your cycle Slynd will do this, you need to give it a little time. Am I imagining it or did you say in a previous post you were on Yasmin? If so I think this uses drospirenone as the progestin so unlikely you are intolerant to it if you were ok on this combined pill. I still believe your issue is the Estrogen, not the progestin. Obviously I’m not medically trained and you must go with your doctor’s advice but do you keep a diary and notice trends? I’ve really found this helpful. For me, when Estrogen is too high or in comparison to progesterone I feel exhausted, low mood, irritable/angry, bloated, sore boobs… basically pms on crack. So many women report positive changes with higher Estrogen but this has been the opposite experience for me so I wanted to share my experience in case it helps. I really would try and change just one thing at a time, if you’ve lowered your Estrogen maybe stick with the Slynd and see if you feel any improvements. Just my opinion but honestly, constantly changing stuff really isn’t helpful in long run x

Thanks 4 replying....so the slynd ....ugghh I tried and it upped my already peri symptom of terrible anger. Dr told me yesterday get off this pill so I did. They all know im sensitive and that if my withdrawal doesn't agree with it ....it's down the pits I go. So that was the reason..now I hope cerelke will be OK and I can get sorted.  Thanks 4 being so kind and understanding. If something doesn't suit I usually know pretty quickly. Xxxx

[Vicky81]

Crispy Chick - I have avoided reading most of Vicky81s threads as it appears that she isn't taking note of any advice given here and seems 2 B suggesting that she is swapping medications without giving any time to work.  It is a concern as to who is prescribing which and also how she is able to access HRT which many of us have to fight for.



It is rare that people have sudden issues to adding hormones without having been comprised in their own cycle, I followed Dr Daltons Website in the 1980s and 90s where good advice was given as to the why's and where 4s. This is a Doctor who represented women in Court when they had committed Crimes due to severe PMT.


For those that suffer then they should speak to their prescribing medic, using some of the suggestions made on Forums such as this one. Copy the advice and go armed to their GPs etc. for face2face advice.  Members here are not professionals but are sharing experiences.
Access HRT that many have to fight for? Don't get this
 Yiu just ring the GP.  That's what I did.

[Vicky81]

Three years ago this forum was and has been full of compassion for Vicky, she was given a wealth of advice and each time she ignored it and didn't stick to any regime she was given by her medics only to constantly end up doing her own thing.
She is repeating this disruptive behaviour all over again, and again taking no notice of it.

We all have the utmost sympathy for anyone going through the most stressful of times through symptoms of menopause, I am here because I was in a similar position and it was the ladies here that assured me I will get there in the end, and I did.  In those stressful times I never took  advantage of the time the women gave me with their invaluable advice, I took the advice on board and waited for my medications to take affect. There are ways of behaving in a forum and being deliberately disruptive is not one of them.

Im not disruptive. You dont know me as a person. It's very hard when yiu take advice then you get other advice somewhere down the track. But disruptive im not. I hold down 2 very responsible jobs. Team leader in broadmoor and CQC so please dont call me names isn't that fir the teenagers of the world? I'm getting alot of good support on here which im over the moon with not saying names but in private messages. To me there are people worse off than me so let's take care of those and ourselves.  I dont do nastiness to anybody and I dont care at all if someone wants to be nasty with me I e heard it all before from the inmates at my place. Lol
So please Ayshea I'd like to thank you for any support you may have given, but I must admit i dont get a good feeling when I see you have messaged me. So if it's ok....can you not message me and il do the same ? I'd appreciate it. Thank you .

[Mojo-swaptop]

Hi Vicky,
I see that you say you are going through withdrawal from antidepressants (you don't say which one) but I'm wondering if the reasons your moods are all over the place is that rather than changing your hormones all the time (which IMO isn't going to do any good) you may need to go back on a higher dose of your antidepressants, or even try a different one to get you back on an even keel before adding in or changing your hormones.
I know antidepressants aren't a magic pill but we can be too quick to put things down to peri/menopause and hormones when in fact it's something else and antidepressants can help.

Mojo-swaptop x

[Vicky81]

So mayB direct your queries to those overseeing your various medical issues ?  Members here share information and experiences about peri and menopause, we are not medically trained to the extent of advising on your constant questions. 

Do return to your GP and ask the questions that you have begun different threads about on this Forum.  If U continue to have 'withdrawal problems' after all this time, then some1 somewhere isn't helping you, which means that U need to be referred appropriately. 

How do U have access to all this different medication via the NHS without giving any of it time to work?  The drop in hormone levels is slow so it stands to reason that uptake may also take a while B4 the body becomes aware of changes. It's the same with anti-depressant medication, I could write a book on that! I could also write a book about withdrawal from a couple of ADs. 

It becomes tiring for me trying to 'keep up' with your repeated threads    .  MayB others have similar ............

Menopause is natural.  The Change, does what it says on the tin!  Periods may stop suddenly or wax and wane for a while ....... various symptoms may become troublesome.  Because hormones are natural it is unlikely IMO that a woman would have immediate severe reactions to any HRT prescribed ......... the phrase 'sensitive 2 hormones' is an oddity because we are full of them.  We need to remember that "R" word: replacement.

I agree with crispy!! Don't read them then ....solved. I'd rather you didn't.

[Vicky81]

Hi Vicky,
I see that you say you are going through withdrawal from antidepressants (you don't say which one) but I'm wondering if the reasons your moods are all over the place is that rather than changing your hormones all the time (which IMO isn't going to do any good) you may need to go back on a higher dose of your antidepressants, or even try a different one to get you back on an even keel before adding in or changing your hormones.
I know antidepressants aren't a magic pill but we can be too quick to put things down to peri/menopause and hormones when in fact it's something else and antidepressants can help.

Mojo-swaptop x
Hey my love what it is i was on duloxetine 60mg way way back in September.  It was too high si I stayed at 40 for ages.  Then I thought I dont want to be on this anymore my issue is peri, I dont suffer normal depression if u like , so GP "helped" klme come down I even made my own 10mgs up as the manufacturers only make up to 20. I thought 10 woukd be low enough and sadly it wasn't. I put up with terrible withdrawal for 3 weeks thinking it'll go away soon ....but mine didn't so the best way is to go back on it to simmer down the awful symptoms. But my GP didn't know what mg to put me on
...abd because we dont really get alot of withdrawal training at work .....I was lucky that my friend on a site sign posted .me to an American website who specialise in withdrawal.  You give them all your medications dates used etc....then they come up with a plsn for you. They told me go on 20.mg duloxetine and stay there until you stabilise.....they were so right as they believe in going in low with most things especially b12. So I stabilised in March then my b12 took a slight dive and I had to try different low tablets which still didn't agree ....b12 is known not to agree with people in withdrawal so this is where I am now. Xxxx

[Ayesha]

For legal purposes I would like to state here that I have never messaged Vicky81

[CLKD]

Remind me: What exactly did U hope to achieve when U began posting and what advice given by Members here didn't suit?

Why keep opening threads if you get support via PMs  .  This is an open Forum so we can read, comment and give advice as and when.

As 4 'ring yrGP that's what I did' comment: that isn't the issue 4 U is it?  So why not return to your GP for further advice and support? 

It took me 9 weeks under GP supervision to withdraw from an AD which wasn't easy but not something that I would fear in future - it shouldn't take any longer than 6 months as they are in the main, non-addictive. Nor did I became hooked on Valium because my GP prescribed 'as necessary' at each appt. and because I knew that they worked as prescribed, never required more than the 5mg twice a day. 

Which symptom would you like to ease first?

[Vicky81]

On this site of course meet nice people....get advice reassurance . Im nk expert in perimenopause but I learned some things along hhe way CLKD.  I agree with yiu totally hun about the withdrawal God mine seems to be lasting it's horrible isn't it?my gos are goid i must admit but when they dont know something..I tlcome on here either a post or to someone im friendly with....im easy going I just want to get on in life like everyone else, ive had so much sadness over the last 10 weeks or so that I want comfort more than anything ....im not perfect ive tried sometimes on here or with HRT and failed . .ive done daft things...but ive always been loving towards people like Kathleen, crispy minimise dangermouse abd can't remember others .....im always grateful and never belittle anyone fir maybe them doing something that I wouldn't do ....each to their own. I don't like nastiness or feeling a bit picked on .....we all try like crispy said . And that's what im doing....trying . I hope yiu have a nice evening x

[CLKD]

My withdrawal was difficult but not particularly horrible .  My GP supported me along with my DH.  As U requested above, I'm off this now.

[Vicky81]

Hey Vicky, firstly to say I one million percent understand your desperation to find a regime that works for you, I have been there and at times felt like giving up, it’s been so so hard, I can’t even really put into words how hard it’s been and how unwell I’ve been but I really think you need to only be changing one thing at a time otherwise how are you going to know what is and isn’t working? Cerelle/desogestrel is less likely to fully suppress your cycle compared to Slynd unless you double up. I’ve been on this regime and know. Slynd is VERY good at suppressing your cycle, my fsh and lh on this are incredibly low, therefore if your aim is to suppress your cycle Slynd will do this, you need to give it a little time. Am I imagining it or did you say in a previous post you were on Yasmin? If so I think this uses drospirenone as the progestin so unlikely you are intolerant to it if you were ok on this combined pill. I still believe your issue is the Estrogen, not the progestin. Obviously I’m not medically trained and you must go with your doctor’s advice but do you keep a diary and notice trends? I’ve really found this helpful. For me, when Estrogen is too high or in comparison to progesterone I feel exhausted, low mood, irritable/angry, bloated, sore boobs… basically pms on crack. So many women report positive changes with higher Estrogen but this has been the opposite experience for me so I wanted to share my experience in case it helps. I really would try and change just one thing at a time, if you’ve lowered your Estrogen maybe stick with the Slynd and see if you feel any improvements. Just my opinion but honestly, constantly changing stuff really isn’t helpful in long run x

Aww thanm you so much ..
.I sent you a private message to ask about your story with it cos yiu coukd be right.......the 100 patch coukd have caused my anger.....or it's fluctuations as I had to come off yasmin due to ot raising my SHGB meaning that it's binded to my pill.slowly over the weeks.....that's why I was scratching my head and saying im on yasmin and the patch ....whichvyes meno GP knows...and im getting mild night sweats but most of all the anger volcanic anger that I had at the start of peri in 21. So I did my research by looking at my full blood countvand worked it out....I need to stop yasmin then after me telling the GP he said oh yes,you'll nedd to come off ....wally!!!!!!! So the slynd after 9 days each day anger got worse and worse and then like fire bomb. Which was yesterday morning partner said right that's ot.....I was pulling my hair digging my nails into my skin screaming at hom shouting it was the worst dat for anger.  The pharmacist told me get off that pill now. It's not fir yiu infact im emailing your GP now so they know. So I had to look on the net at other ones while crying my eyes out....I picked cerelle. So mate it's either too high estrogen caused the anger or fluctuations cos the anger started way way befire slynd abd the GP told me you got the anger because yasmin was no longer suppressing yiur ovaries because it had binded to SHGB.....you see what I mean now hun? So im trying my best to get well again.
..ive git fatigue so horrible that I can't go out that's what made me think when yiu saud you thought u had cos.....I'd been saying the sane for ages.......

[Vicky81]

My withdrawal was difficult but not particularly horrible .  My GP supported me along with my DH.  As U requested above, I'm off this now.
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I didn't request anything with you CLKD.....im confused  lol

[Gnatty]

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So mayB direct your queries to those overseeing your various medical issues ?  Members here share information and experiences about peri and menopause, we are not medically trained to the extent of advising on your constant questions. 

Do return to your GP and ask the questions that you have begun different threads about on this Forum.  If U continue to have 'withdrawal problems' after all this time, then some1 somewhere isn't helping you, which means that U need to be referred appropriately. 

How do U have access to all this different medication via the NHS without giving any of it time to work?  The drop in hormone levels is slow so it stands to reason that uptake may also take a while B4 the body becomes aware of changes. It's the same with anti-depressant medication, I could write a book on that! I could also write a book about withdrawal from a couple of ADs. 

It becomes tiring for me trying to 'keep up' with your repeated threads    .  MayB others have similar ............

Menopause is natural.  The Change, does what it says on the tin!  Periods may stop suddenly or wax and wane for a while ....... various symptoms may become troublesome.  Because hormones are natural it is unlikely IMO that a woman would have immediate severe reactions to any HRT prescribed ......... the phrase 'sensitive 2 hormones' is an oddity because we are full of them.  We need to remember that "R" word: replacement.
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I agree with crispy!! Don't read them then ....solved. I'd rather you didn't.
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