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jacig1957

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Mirena coil …Yes or No?
« on: August 21, 2024, 07:36:38 AM »

Hi Ladies

I recently posted on here about the thickening of my womb lining (10mm)
I’m 66, post menopausal and currently using 1 pump of eustrogel and very recently upped my utrogestan to 200mg vaginally for 12 nights, every 6 weeks.

After an appointment yesterday at Gynae and internal ultrasound, I was diagnosed with several polyps as well as the thickened lining.
I’m now awaiting an appointment for removal of polyps, biopsy and hysteroscopy under GA.

The consultant wants to fit a Mirena coil whilst I’m under GA but I have refused this as I’m really concerned I could have horrible side effects.

I would really appreciate all your thoughts and honest experiences with the Mirena?
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CLKD

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Re: Mirena coil …Yes or No?
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2024, 08:06:33 AM »

Morning - from what I understand, a Mirena can be removed if necessary.
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Suziemc

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Re: Mirena coil …Yes or No?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2024, 08:37:52 AM »

I had a Mirena fitted 18mths ago, just before my 60th birthday.  At the time I was 10mth into 2 pumps of gel and one Utrogestan daily and I had post menopausal bleeding. A scan showed showed slightly thickened endometrium so the coil was suggested as a way of getting enough progesterone.  So far so good!

I was concerned as I had a coil way back in the 80s and didn't get on with it, I had extremely painful and heavy periods so had it taken out after a few months. When I raised this concern with the gynae she assured me that coils are different these days and I should be OK.

I had spotting for 12 weeks or so after fitting but that was the only negative of my experience. No cramps or pains after fitting and now I wouldn't know it's there.

I know we're all different and some people don't get on with the Mirena but it is removable if it doesn't suit you. My advice, based on my experience, is to go for it.

Suzie
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bombsh3ll

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Re: Mirena coil …Yes or No?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2024, 12:56:23 PM »

If you have endometrial pathology and will be having a general anaesthetic and hysteroscopy anyway I'd say go for it.

It is not more invasive than the procedure you are already having and the only thing to consider is that if for any reason you don't get on with it, you would need to get an appointment and persuade a clinician to remove it.

Sometimes there is resistance to removing them, but there's also resistance (inappropriately) to prescribing HRT to over 60s, so the fact you're on it at 66 suggests you are more than capable of advocating for your healthcare if you have to!
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MillieMoo10

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Re: Mirena coil …Yes or No?
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2024, 01:22:34 PM »

I had a Mirena fitted when I started HRT last year and have had no problems with it at all
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jacig1957

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Re: Mirena coil …Yes or No?
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2024, 01:52:49 PM »

Thank you ladies for your replies thus far.
Having the procedure to fit the Mirena doesn’t worry me as I’ll be asleep anyway under GA.
My concerns are its side effects….
I suffer from migraines, have to take my blood pressure regularly so GP can keep an eye on it.
I  had a blood clot 2 years ago. ( The reason I was changed on to utrogestan)

Does Mirena affect migraines?
Cause weight gain?
Affect blood pressure?
Cause any other not so nice symptoms?


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Mariab

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Re: Mirena coil …Yes or No?
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2024, 03:12:12 PM »

Hi,
I've had the coil fitted for a year and I have had no adverse side effects from it at all. :)
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Suziemc

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Re: Mirena coil …Yes or No?
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2024, 06:19:28 PM »

I've never suffered from migraines so can't comment on that.
My blood pressure hasn't changed since I've been on hrt.
I have put on weight but this was within the first few months while I was using oestrogel and taking utrogestan, it didn't increase further when I had the Mirena fitted.
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joziel

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Re: Mirena coil …Yes or No?
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2024, 07:23:36 PM »

Most women find that the progestin in the Mirena stays localised in the uterus and isn't absorbed systemically into the blood.

However there are a small number of women who do get systemic effects. The amount you get systemically in the first few weeks it is in, is apparently slightly higher than what it reduces to and stays at for the rest of the time it's there.
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shrosphirelass

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Re: Mirena coil …Yes or No?
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2024, 07:56:39 PM »

I had the Mirena fitted in March when having a hysteroscopy and fibroid removed under GA.

It has been really good for me so far. I haven't noticed any additional symptoms. Still have a dodgy stomach but I think that's IBS.

What has been great is a reduction in my headaches. They were the reason I went on HRT in the first place. I had severe sinus type headaches which dr thinks were migraines. Nothing worked very well to control them. Continuous HRT did help a bit but didn't eradicate them. Now I am much improved, still get headaches but not every day and quite mild.

Wish I'd had a Mirena when I first went on HRT.
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rachelp

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Re: Mirena coil …Yes or No?
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2024, 08:44:23 AM »

I have had several Mirena coils over the years. Changed my hrt regime last year and had another mirena  fitted to go alongside gel and really find it has no effect on weight, mood etc wouldn’t know it was there!
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Tinkerbell

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Re: Mirena coil …Yes or No?
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2024, 11:52:13 AM »

I am two years into my second Mirena, first was one year post meno. I love it, no side effects apart from very light spotting for 4 months with the first but I am glad I put up with it.

I have had no increase in migraines, BP and no weight gain. I did loose 22 lbs last year when I went on a get fit mission!
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jacig1957

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Re: Mirena coil …Yes or No?
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2024, 11:26:50 AM »

Thank you ladies for your replies. The jury is still out 😂
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Hurdity

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Re: Mirena coil …Yes or No?
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2024, 07:41:53 PM »

Hi jacig1957

If you want to look at the release rates of the progestogen in the Mirena over time then do have a look at the product info here:

https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/1829/spc/mirena/

Section 5.2 gives the pharmacodynamic properties - which means what happens to the active ingredient in the body over time. There is a table showing the estimated release rate which is given as 21 mcg per day at 24 and 60 days after insertion ( ie no decrease), 19 mcg per day after 1 year,  14 mcg per day after 3 years and 12 mcg per day after 4 years and 11 after 5 years. It needs to remain relatively high for it to protect the endometrium over the 4-5 years, though I can imagine it may be even higher for the first 3 weeks after insertion (these data are not given).

If you really want the detail it says this:

"The pharmacokinetics of levonorgestrel itself have been extensively investigated and reported in the literature. In postmenopausal users of Mirena who were receiving non-oral concomitant oestrogen, plasma levonorgestrel concentrations have been 276 ± 119 pg/ml, 196 ± 87pg/ml and 177 ± 70 pg/ml at 56 weeks, 24 months and 48 months respectively. A half life of 20 hours is considered the best estimate although some studies have reported values as short as 9 hours and others as long as 80 hours. Another important finding, although one in agreement with experience with other synthetic steroids, has been marked differences in metabolic clearance rates among individuals, even when administration was by the intravenous route. Levonorgestrel is extensively bound to proteins (mainly sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and extensively metabolised to a large number of inactive metabolites."

Section 4.8 also gives the undesirable effects and their relative frequency. As this is going to be so much of an individual thing, what others tell you about their experiences will not tell you whether or not you will experience the same - but obviously very reassuring to hear good news stories! As already said, if after a few weeks it is clearly not suiting you and the side effects are far too severe, then you can always have it removed.

What I am puzzled about is why they are inserting it at the same time as removing the polyps and taking a biopsy without waiting for the results of the biopsy - but I guess that suggests possibly their confidence that it is likely the polyps that are causing your issues rather than anything sinister.

It also seems common practice to offer a Mirena to anyone who has to have hysteroscopy and biopsy for thickened lining - I was offered one twice, both times I had these procedures, and mine was without any anaesthetic, so that couldn't have been the reason (ie pop one in while she';s "out" !).

All the best

Hurdity x
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jacig1957

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Re: Mirena coil …Yes or No?
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2024, 10:49:03 AM »

Thank you ladies for your replies. The jury is still out 😂
Hi jacig1957

If you want to look at the release rates of the progestogen in the Mirena over time then do have a look at the product info here:

https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/1829/spc/mirena/

Section 5.2 gives the pharmacodynamic properties - which means what happens to the active ingredient in the body over time. There is a table showing the estimated release rate which is given as 21 mcg per day at 24 and 60 days after insertion ( ie no decrease), 19 mcg per day after 1 year,  14 mcg per day after 3 years and 12 mcg per day after 4 years and 11 after 5 years. It needs to remain relatively high for it to protect the endometrium over the 4-5 years, though I can imagine it may be even higher for the first 3 weeks after insertion (these data are not given).

If you really want the detail it says this:

"The pharmacokinetics of levonorgestrel itself have been extensively investigated and reported in the literature. In postmenopausal users of Mirena who were receiving non-oral concomitant oestrogen, plasma levonorgestrel concentrations have been 276 ± 119 pg/ml, 196 ± 87pg/ml and 177 ± 70 pg/ml at 56 weeks, 24 months and 48 months respectively. A half life of 20 hours is considered the best estimate although some studies have reported values as short as 9 hours and others as long as 80 hours. Another important finding, although one in agreement with experience with other synthetic steroids, has been marked differences in metabolic clearance rates among individuals, even when administration was by the intravenous route. Levonorgestrel is extensively bound to proteins (mainly sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and extensively metabolised to a large number of inactive metabolites."

Section 4.8 also gives the undesirable effects and their relative frequency. As this is going to be so much of an individual thing, what others tell you about their experiences will not tell you whether or not you will experience the same - but obviously very reassuring to hear good news stories! As already said, if after a few weeks it is clearly not suiting you and the side effects are far too severe, then you can always have it removed.

What I am puzzled about is why they are inserting it at the same time as removing the polyps and taking a biopsy without waiting for the results of the biopsy - but I guess that suggests possibly their confidence that it is likely the polyps that are causing your issues rather than anything sinister.

It also seems common practice to offer a Mirena to anyone who has to have hysteroscopy and biopsy for thickened lining - I was offered one twice, both times I had these procedures, and mine was without any anaesthetic, so that couldn't have been the reason (ie pop one in while she';s "out" !).

All the best

Hurdity x

Thank you Hurdity

I had my GA assessment yesterday and am now awaiting an appointment to have the procedure.
I think I’ve decided NOT to have the Mirena fitted. I’m still concerned I might suffer more migraines, bloating, weight gain and high blood pressure. It’s already borderline and I fight to keep it down through diet and exercise. ( which I hate )

I prefer taking utrogesten as I feel it’s safer due to having had a blood clot 2 years ago.
I just wish it didn’t cause the terrible vaginal burning and thrush like symptoms and of course the bladder irritation and feelings of having a UTI.
I seem to just get over these symptoms and the 6 weeks are up and it’s time to start it all over again 😩
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