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[CLKD]

I hope that there won't be a rush on responsible owners to take away their pets as happened when pit-bulls were banned. 1 politician stood in the House that morning and declared, every home will be entered to take pit-bulls away  .  It was an election year hence the very badly worded Dangerous Dogs Act.

All dogs can be dangerous if 1 falls over one for example.  That doesn't mean that the dog is nasty or liable to snap.

Of course the government of the day need to be seen 'to be doing'.  Each dog should be assessed on its merits, breeding, history ..... this won't catch those who keep back street bullies and as stated in an article this week, the breeder changes 1 aspect of the 'mix' ....... as well as the UK doesn't have enough at Border Control to stop these entering the country 

What is needed is a member of staff in each local authority whose job is to scan all ads in local papers as well as all the notice boards in PetsAtHome etc..  Any1 breeding any type of dog/cat should then be investigated to make sure that they comply with LA Laws, i.e. that any breeder with. more than 2 bitches should be licensed.  This should be followed through the Kennel Club to cross check each time a litter is registered. 

The British KC could be more active by physically checking each breeder B4 they get their bitch to a stud dog, as happens in Sweden.  Our KC has no idea where the breeders might be, i.e. puppy farms.  I could write a book on this 1! [Puppy Watch].


There is a petition doing the rounds stating that there are over 70,000 Puppy Farms in the UK.  I don't think so! 

[jaypo]

I totally agree "any" dg can attack but the difference with XLs is that it's next to impossible to get their jaws open one clamped, I saw one in the US get tazered & it just made it more angry 😕

[CLKD]

Yep. These dogs, like Pit-bulls, have thick skulls as well as are muscular.  Initially pain isn't felt so the dog becomes angrier.  I am aware too that animals when shot will run a few paces until the heart stops, so a dog can still cause serious injuries.    

In some Counties there are more safe secure fields attracting owners where they can pay a fee to allow their pet off lead alone or to interact with others ........ hopefully these fields with shelter could be made avilaalbel for those people with large dogs who aren't seen as a threat to the public?  Keeping everyone as safe as possible?

The effects on the emergency services must be huge! 

[CLKD]

It's not going to be easy if these large dogs are left in Kennels, because if they go on the DDA list, they will have to be euthanised.  Worse if owners let these dogs, usually not microchipped, loose in the communites/fields.   A few weeks ago a farmer shot two American Bully XL who had got into a barn and killed 24+ ewes/lambs 

Wonder what Vets make of these ?

[jaypo]

Euthanise them then,I'd rather that,than anyone else get killed,just watched the news and they're saying the two dogs that killed the man are "believed" to be XLs. NONE of them are safe,I just don't buy it when folks say..... it's gentle,yep,until something upsets it

[CLKD]

Exactly what my DH said a few moments ago.  Hopefully it won't be an immediate blanket ban as a gut reaction, that each owner will be allowed to have their dog checked over; to justify the reason why they want to own a large muscular dog.  He also said that they will go out and buy something 'else' similar. 

Responsible owners regardless of their choice of breed, will know how to continue with daily training etc..  It's those that are kept in backyards ....... there is very little chance that they will be found until there is an incidence.  Watching the film released today, shows a man grabbing a petrol pump to try and spray the dog which went for the young girl: but of course, it won't pump until the card to pay is inserted.  Pity that he didn't grab a fire extinquiser, would any of us be quick enough 

Many years ago I was dragged to the ground by a gun dog aged 9. months: hormones kicking in, he didn't want to go home.  No growling. No teeth barred.  But he was strong enough to bring me to the ground ...... until the owner told me to smack him one, he soon learnt!  He wasn't nasty but he didn't drag me again.  And I've been around all types of dog for many years. 

There's no easy answer on how to stop back street breeders etc..  Not much has changed since Rotts, Dobes and GSDs were targeted in the 1980s/90s.

[Penguin]

Euthanise them then,I'd rather that,than anyone else get killed,just watched the news and they're saying the two dogs that killed the man are "believed" to be XLs. NONE of them are safe,I just don't buy it when folks say..... it's gentle,yep,until something upsets it

Yep sad to say but I agree with you on that one.

[Songbird]

Yep, agree with all of this actually. For me the XL is a creation all on its own. The pure power is hard to imagine. I would suggest the owner of such a thing is going to be “a certain type” - a hugely dangerous combo.
I think that any breed has the potential to “turn” so responsible, able individuals who own a dog are always a must.
I’ll tell you 2 short stories (are you sitting comfortably? Then I’ll begin  ). There is a serious side and a funny side to the first!
Jaypo will tell me if I’ve mentioned this before  - bloody brain fog!……
We showed German shepherds for a long period. Before we married, I visited OH’s house. He had a big gentle GSD that “wouldn’t hurt a fly”. I stood up from the sofa to leave and said gentle giant (not OH  ) flew at me, clamping his jaws on my sensitive area. Imagine me, up at A and E that night getting a tetanus injection, explaining why I had teeth marks on my flower 
Fast forward a few years and married. Another GSD of ours lying in our conservatory - I think he’s dead - it turns out he’s sleeping. I’m leaning over him distraught, he wakes up, flies at me and bites me (this time right next to my left eye!) - another trip to A and E. - this time, very lucky that a plastic surgeon was on shift! He did a sterling job with me only having a small scar. I was told I was so lucky not to lose an eye. 😳
We had some amazing GSDs too but it just shows you.

[jaypo]

Nope,you've not told that story before songbird,unusual for you but first time for everything 
My German shepherd was the most beautiful black dog you'd ever see,looked like a wolf,she was so so gentle,not once did she ever so much as bear her teeth at any of us but would I ever leave her with my OHs kids,no way.
She did once make an Amazon delivery driver run faster than Usain Bolt but then he came into HER garden,when there were 5 signs on the gate saying "guard dog loose on premises " perhaps he couldn't read 🙄

[CLKD]

Shows that any dog ......

Now if 1 has a warning 'guard dog on the premises' it either has to be with a handler on a lead or in a kennel.  Dangerous Dogs Act.  Because the owner is admitting to having a potently dangerous dog on the property so it should be under control. 

As an aside: years ago once a Police Dog had retired, it was euthanised.   Now apparently the handler can keep it at home  .  I don't agree with that, as they are taught to grab an arm and hold.  Can U imagine if that happened in a family home  as well as they were kept in kennels. 

[jaypo]

Hahaha,she would've just slobbered over him,it wasn't because she was a guard dog,it was because they kept leaving the bloody gate open but they couldn't see the "KEEP GATE CLOSED" sign either 😡😡😡😡😡😡 reported them numerous times 🤷‍♀️

[CLKD]

I love most breeds ......... mostly because I know what many are bred originally 'to do' for man.  People even keep wolf dogs ...... I'm told by owners in public that they have to be treated differently to pets.  A kick with a wellie should suffice ;-).


When the DDA was instigated there were too many overzealous police officers taking away pets from owners.  Dempsey was removed - trying to get the article but it's slow loading [Our Dogs magazine].

I know of two retrievers that stood on their hind legs on the garden side of the gate: barking at kids walking by from school.  Police went in, took the dogs [for barking in a dangerous manner] which were never seen again.  That was in the 1990s and the owners still don't know what happened to them.   .  Owners are never told where their pets are taken under the DDA.  Regardless of breed.  One owner who did retrieve their dog was appalled as she hadn't been allowed out for exercise, had been kept in a dark concrete kennel with no sunshine.  The police were so scared because the dog was under the DDA that they shoved the food in and slammed the door.  The kennel floor was awash ....... no one thought to engage someone with knowledge about dogs!

Had U or I kept a pet in such conditions the RSPCA would have taken action.  This is a topic which I have followed for many years and which makes me rage with disbelief that it continues despite the DDA:  all agencies, starting with Local Authorities and Vet surgeries, should be more engaged in checking the situations on individual levels.  If a bitch is taken to the surgery then Vets should check that the owner is registered.  If a pup arrives without a microchip, the Vet should inform the Police and RSPCA.  If this costs LAs monies, then the government should now support the idea of keeping the public safe from attack dogs.  Trouble is, the government's of the day are reactionary, very few understand or have knowledge of the breeds across the UK.

Our local Policeman didn't know the difference between a Springer and a cocker ...... he asked me and the dog warden to advise.  And these police were going into properties without full knowledge!
 

[jaypo]

Omg,I'm actually have tears running down my face,yet another bully attack on a young boy,it was caught on a ring door cam,it was sky news,watch it at your peril 

[jaypo]

https://youtu.be/XHDyfiO0N2s?si=-0yYTIWhYtVwQwiy

[CLKD]

It's in the News probably more than usual due to the tradegies - this was a staffie which had escaped from the owner's garden  .  Why oh WHY