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[littleminnie]

I was also wondering about HRT and the AZ jab.  But, 26 men have had clots too.    Also the 2nd dose is supposed to be a smaller dose so I don’t know whether that would make a difference.

[Cocobra]

Dear All,

I have spoken to my haematologist cousin properly: she assured me that there is no known relation between AZ and artificial hormones, whether contraceptive or HRT and that there is still poor understanding of the causes of post-AZ thrombosis syndromes. She also reassured me about the rarity of the latter; it is at this stage anecdotal, given how rare it is statistically. Finally, for those of us who have been on HRT for a while (a few years) or indeed on the pill (I've been for many years on both!) we should be reassured that any thrombotic syndrome would have emerged already if our bodies were susceptible.

It's great to hear this. And I hope this will reassure you as much as it has reassured me.

[Wrensong]

Hi Cocobra, thanks so much for letting us know the outcome .  As you say that's good news & seems very reassuring.

[menomope]

Thank you Cocobra for sharing analysis from your cousin.

[Sophie20]

I must admit I am concerned about taking the top-up vaccine; as I was very unwell with the first Astra Zeneca shot.  I hear where you are coming from Cocobra.  I know that I wasn't asked any questions about HRT when I went for my first vaccine; and the confusing thing is that I have had migraines on hrt, so it is difficult to know whether the vaccine is causing headaches or whether it is hrt.  There are definite concerns, and yes, perhaps the presumption that women in a certain age category aren't taking anything that would contrevene?

[menomope]

Hi Sophie20
I also spent three days quite ill in bed after my first vaccine. I was not asked anything either.   It was an in, vaccine delivered and out experience. Which is, of course, all it can be.
I might be reassured if I could speak to someone about my concerns but with no opportunity to do this I am in two minds about having it.

[Gnatty]

Although this is anecdotal, my understanding with the Astra Zeneca is that you experience fewer side effects with the second dose. I don't know if anyone reading this has had second jab and can confirm? Also it was stated there had been no blood clots with second dose. Now my immediate thought on that is that not many younger people in this country have had second dose so I think that's slightly suspect in terms of reliability/enough data. But, there will be more data as time goes by and I think that it won't be too long before we have a bit more clarification/ evidence.

[Sparrow]

Although this is anecdotal, my understanding with the Astra Zeneca is that you experience fewer side effects with the second dose. I don't know if anyone reading this has had second jab and can confirm? Also it was stated there had been no blood clots with second dose. Now my immediate thought on that is that not many younger people in this country have had second dose so I think that's slightly suspect in terms of reliability/enough data. But, there will be more data as time goes by and I think that it won't be too long before we have a bit more clarification/ evidence.

Two nurses in our family, that both had nasty side effects with first dose.  Nothing at all with the second.

[CLKD]

I've read the other way round so am dreading my 2nd dose 

[menomope]

I also heard that with AZ vaccine first dose is worse. So that is good to hear Shadyglade. I have had covid so maybe that complicates things with side effects I dont know.
With Phizer- second dose can be worse.

[jillydoll]

My OH had the Pfizer one. On both occasions he suffered dreadful side effects.
Migraine like headaches, fever, fatigue. I’m dreading my second dose of the same one. Although I suffered nothing at all from my first. I have read, the second dose packs a punch. 😳
He also had Covid last year, resulting in double pneumonia and a long stint in hospital, so whether that has anything to do with his side effects, is anyone’s guess. xx

[Roobee]

Some of my friends have had their 2nd and say they felt worse, I’m sure I read somewhere that the 2nd can pack a bigger punch, something to do with the first stimulating the immune system and the second being recognised (don’t quote me on that).
Have also heard people who had covid already say they felt awful after vaccines.

[Dorothy]

Yes, I've been told Pfizer is worst on the second dose - not looking forward to that.  Had my first dose Friday morning and still feeling rough...although I no longer want to tear my arm off at the shoulder, so obviously improving!

[Cocobra]

Dear All,

thanks so much for all your useful thoughts and for voicing further concerns. A couple of things to consider: headaches from thrombotic syndrome are absolutely piercing and localised. I, too, have suffered headaches at the beginning of HRT and on and off since but nothing near that.
On the second dose with AZ, I, too, heard that side effects should be minor (this read in the Guardian, not info from my cousin!). And my mum in Italy was told that the second dose of Pfizer would give more side effects: in fact, she had none both with the first and second dose - same for my Aunt and Uncle, all young boy and girls in their 80s!

As I said, I am reassured that my cousin told me not to worry about any possible relationship between AZ and artificial hormones, but I am all ears to any future knowledge on the matter since she made it clear we do not really understand yet, incontrovertibly, the cause and effect between AZ and thrombotic syndromes.

[CLKD]

Morning Cocobra -    Every day is a Learning Curve and C-19 is getting our heads together, hopefully to improve medical information over all.