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Author Topic: GP has prescribed Qlaira - Feeling scared and need encouragement!  (Read 92904 times)

Gilla999

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Re: GP has prescribed Qlaira - Feeling scared and need encouragement!
« Reply #285 on: March 25, 2021, 03:43:12 PM »

Not bad so far but it's too early to tell if it's worked to shut off my own hormones... I had 5 great weeks on Zoely before it all started playing up again  :-\ In terms of side effects on Yasmin, the big painful boobs are back (high estrogen), plus some headaches and fatigue, but nothing that I'm not able to deal with. Just really hoping it works! Sending good vibes to you all xx
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Scampidoodle

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Re: GP has prescribed Qlaira - Feeling scared and need encouragement!
« Reply #286 on: March 25, 2021, 04:29:18 PM »

How long has it been on yasmin? Please do keep us posted x
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RebJT

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Re: GP has prescribed Qlaira - Feeling scared and need encouragement!
« Reply #287 on: March 25, 2021, 05:06:25 PM »

Hey both

I'd cut my right arm off for mere random boob pain! Ha!  Ferritin can be falsely elevated in the presence of inflammation (which mcas is) did they test your HB and RBC, how are they?  Do they check your inflammatory markers?  My ferritin was 100 and I felt like death, but had just sent myself hyper on my thyroid meds (lost a load of weight, it's dosed per kg of body weight, totally forgot!) and that can send it up.  But they infused me on the basis of my Hb and Rbc, serum, and other markers (MCH, MCV, transferrin saturation etc).  But totally agree, even some bloody illness with some kind of clear disease progression would be easier to cope with, in particular mentally, than this roller coaster!  Not that I'm wishing a disease on anyone but you know what I mean I hope.

I'm still highly adrenalised this afternoon, high heart rate, feel shaky and revved but it's a different kind of feeling to previous days, and not quite so ramped up, histamine is coming down and my lovely mum tells me I look more normal (I look tired, waking at 5am).  I've taken all my estrogen dominance supplements, brocolli oil, calcium d glucarate etc to try and process this stuff out of me!  I assume this is high estrogen still - hoping this gap of pills might give me a bleed, and settle it down, my previous ups and downs are looking preferable to this nightmare anyway. 

I was thinking I'd jump aboard a new pill right away, but think I need to bail out my histamine bucket first and get some semblance of a baseline again, as Im chasing my tail at the moment.  I just wish I knew a bit more about prog reactions, do they cause this adrenalised feeling or would I be feeling more bloated, low, weepy, depressed, greasy haired, etc.  Or do they make you jittery and wired?  What is prog intolerance, nobody seems to ever spell it out.  I say that as I'm starting to think maybe for me I need to just do prog only for a bit and get this estrogen opposed, but no way Im putting an implant in my bloomin' womb without knowing if I'm going to be tap dancing on the ceiling within moments of the bloody thing going in!

Gilla, thanks, you poor thing that must have been total heartbreak, after doing so very much better for a good chunk of time.  It's hellish isn't it.  So I can see you seem to need a good high dose of estrogen, at least in theory, and Zoely wasn't enough for you to suppress the sweats and surges etc (do you mind me asking your age?).  I think this is where you and I are different, as too much E sends me spiralling into histamine (although frustratingly probably need it like crispy says to shut the shooting match down, but can't tolerate it long enough to get there maybe).  So perhaps Zoely would be OK for me, but I'm so nervous of setting off this shit show again, I'm half tempted to just try Jaydess, steer clear of E altogether until these mad surges are over, and live with my 'normal' ups and downs of E, at least I'm prepared for those (I organise my work diary around my bad days usually, I freelance so I make excuses about meetings, or other commitments and clients never know, it's harder to hide this level of buggered up though, just had to confess to one lot why I hadn't delivered as promised!).

I'm so confused I think I need to let it all settle, I wouldn't recommend it though, withdrawing off this stuff is really quite manky! I want to be clear headed and prepared and well researched when I speak to the gynae, so I ask the right questions.  I've tried googling, there's virtually nothing on the internet about Jaydess, just the spiel telling you how wonderful it is.  I know you Scampi did OK on just prog coil for a bit with the same issues as me, maybe that's the way to go.  Just don't know.

Thanks for taking the time to explain Gilla, I'll come back to your post again when I'm thinking a bit clearer.

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Gilla999

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Re: GP has prescribed Qlaira - Feeling scared and need encouragement!
« Reply #288 on: March 25, 2021, 06:56:48 PM »

I agree Reb, it seems like we have the opposite problem! Yes you're right - I think (but again, only gut suspicion from all the tracking I've done because no one seems to be able to know/help) that my issue is caused by any drops in estrogen. I'm not sure whether it's the estrogen drop itself or some other consequence of it (for example a drop in estrogen also causes a drop in serotonin) but that's what I think is happening and yes, the Zoely estrogen wasn't enough to suppress my own estrogen from doing it's own thing underneath. I'm about to turn 42 and have been having this very specific set of problems since I turned 41 (there was other early peri menopause stuff for about a year prior to that). It's youngish, but I've also not had children and I heard that can start perimenopause earlier.

We do seem to have the opposite problem in that it sounds like too much estrogen causes a bad chain reaction of events in you. It's so hard to know what the right thing to do is and I'm always nervous of advising in case I say the wrong thing. My understanding has always been that Prog symptoms are the low, depressed, angry stuff - not the hyper state you describe. If you had Jaydess and then started experiencing menopausal symptoms (because it won't do anything for your estrogen and therefore you could eventually get the classic side effects of that) you could always then try adding in a really low dose of estriadol as some women do. You might not be as likely to get these side effects of the estriadol when the Jaydess Prog is there to balance it. I can understand the nervousness about having something implanted in you though and the reaction you might have xx

Scampi on Sunday it will be two weeks since starting the Yasmin - so very new. I've paid for another Rhythm hormone test which is a test you do every couple of days. My plan is to start it in a couple of weeks' time to hopefully "catch" when/if I have another bout of the night sweats and insomnia, to be able to see if there is any correlation in hormone level movement. At the very least I'll be able to see if my own estrogen levels are still fluctuating underneath - if they aren't I would expect my estrogen reading to be flat the whole time.
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Scampidoodle

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Re: GP has prescribed Qlaira - Feeling scared and need encouragement!
« Reply #289 on: March 25, 2021, 07:22:51 PM »

Good idea to do the test Gilla. It certainly must be hormonal it’s such a very specific set of symptoms at a specific time isn’t it.

I do hope yasmin works out for you.

I’ve just got my script through for Eloine so I’ll tentatively try that in a few weeks. I’m also 42 and totally unsure which hormone is doing what to me and when but also certain it is the hormones driving my symptoms (alongside histamine anyway) x
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CrispyChick

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Re: GP has prescribed Qlaira - Feeling scared and need encouragement!
« Reply #290 on: March 25, 2021, 09:07:03 PM »

Well, I am absolutely gutted ladies.

8 weeks of mood hell getting on microgynon... 2 weeks of iffy heads with severe nose pressure. I tell myself it's my allergies. I steam every day...

I'm kidding myself. This is what I get when I'm on a combined pill. Gutted. Absolutely gutted.

Everything else is feeling good on microgynon. A lot more balanced. But I can't have daily headaches...

But I'm not giving up. I'll give it another week or so to be sure. Then I think I'm going to have to try another low dose version...clearly 30mg is too much, even with the progesterone dominance of microgynon. 😔. Feeling so very sorry for myself.

I'm interested in eloine... I haven't tried that prog before...

Sigh. I'm away to eat my body weight in chocolate. So very upset.
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Gilla999

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Re: GP has prescribed Qlaira - Feeling scared and need encouragement!
« Reply #291 on: March 26, 2021, 06:44:31 AM »

Crispy I can totally understand the feeling, it's how I felt when I realised Zoely wasn't working. But don't give up - it is undeniably rubbish but this is just a temporary setback. Switching from Zoely to Yasmin has been SO much easier than when I tried starting Yasmin in my early 30s. Are you sure the headaches and stuffy nose are from the Pill? Headaches are normally a sign of too much estrogen and Microgynon is a Prog dominant Pill. I do think the newer Progs are much better tolerated though - Eloine contains the same Prog as Yasmin (Eloine used to be called Yaz) and I have been fine with it - no Prog symptoms, just Estrogen symptoms (but Yasmin has 30mcg).
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RebJT

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Re: GP has prescribed Qlaira - Feeling scared and need encouragement!
« Reply #292 on: March 26, 2021, 07:07:03 AM »

Morning ladies

Well I'm day 4 of no pill and coming back into land, I'm exhausted (I'm so, so, tired) but whilst still ramped up, nowhere near as bad as I've been at the worst of it in the last two weeks.  Honestly, this has been significantly worse than the problem I'm trying to fix and I feel we're just guessing at solutions now.  I honestly don't feel like I can live through another one of these episodes, it's so very bad.  I've just sent an email to the Newsom clinic asking if they have anyone with experience of my symptoms, I need to find someone to partner me, go back to the beginning and figure out what the F is going on.

I want to know if this adrenalised feeling is driven by estrogen or progesterone, or both, there was something particularly vicious about this Qlaira kick back, I think I'd be mad to put a coil in without knowing, why would I do that to myself, I'd rather limp along with utrogestan, eeking out my cycles to 28 days, and doing my best with the bleeding.

Don't get me wrong, Panay clinic have been kind, and nice, and professional etc, they are wonderful and get many women well again but the truth is I'm getting worse not better, and I've paid thousands for the privilege, it can't carry on.

I am still undecided what to do really - I've read a lot now, is it realistic to think another gynae is going to say anything other than 'well you could try a coil'?  By which I mean is am I at the limits of what gynaecology can offer?  Is there even any bloody point?  And if so where does that leave me?  Trial and error is all well and good (is this honestly what women are expected to put up with?) but it's wrecking my life.

Anyway, having thought I need to do something immediately, I think I'm going to have to wait for all this to trickle out of my system, get back to baseline (of rubbish, but not THIS rubbish) and see where I go then.  I think I'd be silly to put more hormones in when I'm so confused.  Maybe I'll feel better once I've got this junk out of my body, we'll see.

Crispy, so sorry, don't forget about your iron, it causes such weird and whacky symptoms, you won't be able to see the wood for the trees just with that, never mind everything else.  That said you know your body better than anyone, and what is tolerable.  Very sorry, it's totally rubbish.

Thanks Gilla, think you are right.  I think Jaydess sounds the most logical solution (but also the most risky, once it's in, it's in, I know I could have it out, but right now even waiting a fortnight for an apt with all this covid madness would be intolerable, at the fever pitch I get to, even hanging on for a day feels like more than any human should be asked to bloody bear!).  I am interested in this 'Rhythm' test, never heard of that, is it any good?  Can you choose the days you test, I'd love to know what's going on on my havoc days, that'd tell me a lot!  My one big frustration is nobody will do any blood tests (I really don't understand this, how can doctors be making all these decisions on no data).  Are they expensive and where do you go for the blood draw?

Thanks again everyone, maybe I'm just crashing off hormones and feeling defeated, and I'll be feeling like it's worth trying again in a day or two.

Reb
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CrispyChick

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Re: GP has prescribed Qlaira - Feeling scared and need encouragement!
« Reply #293 on: March 26, 2021, 09:04:00 AM »

Thanks guys.

No, I'm not 100% sure it is the pill causing this, but I think I need to stop deluding myself. I think the evidence is there...

Started gederal 20/150 first. It brought back my awful vertigo and nausea, so upped to 30/150 and within a month that settled. Then came migraines. Dropped back to 20/150 and migraines went. Did t feel good.

Swapped to microgynon. Bailed at 6 weeks given the mood issues. Switched to brevinor, which is 35mg estrogen. This nose thing started... Came off brevinor thi King it was the cause, on to millinette which made me feel poisoned... The nose/head issue continued.

Stopped millinette. 3 months on nothing. I was dreadful, but the nose issue went. Now its back, 8 weeks into microgynon.

I think the evidence is probably there. Thete is stuff online about the combined pill causing sinus issues and non allergic rhinitis. I have these issues already, but this seems to take it to a whole new level...

I am gutted. But... I know I can't be in nothing. Most of the 30mg estrogen pills make me feel poisoned, microgynon was a better one. But maybe the 30mg is still too much. Just hoping a 20mg will be enough to supress...

I've got a gp appointment in 4 weeks... But I'm wondering if I could put through a
Special request for eloine. The meno clinic told me to try different pills....so maybe the gp will just prescribe... I don't wavt to wait 4 weeks...
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Scampidoodle

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« Reply #294 on: March 26, 2021, 09:16:03 AM »

You could ask for an emergency GP appt Crispy, it’s the only way to be seen currently. It sounds like you’ve been through a lot of pills already. I do wonder if your nose/head issues are related to histamine intolerance too, especially as the oestrogen in pills/hrt makes it worse. Do you take antihistamines? (Sorry if you’ve been through all this before in this thread) x
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CrispyChick

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Re: GP has prescribed Qlaira - Feeling scared and need encouragement!
« Reply #295 on: March 26, 2021, 09:28:50 AM »

Hi Scampidoodle

Yes, I have endless allergies and I take fexofenadine. I stopped taking it when this nose pressure arrived in May, but that didn't help. I've just started it again to see if it helps this time.

I've read the histamine threads with interest. But just because I have a lot of allergies which obviously trigger histamine, I'm guessing that doesn't mean I'm intolerant to histamine??? Although I suppose I could be.

Just fed up with all the trials. Me on nothing is horrific in terms of hormones.

I've always had the allergies. I e taken pills in my earlier years - no problems.

So, if it was a histamine issue, I note Reb's expert suggests eloine. So that's wgat I'm thinking of anyway... I'm just hoping the 20mg is enough to supress... 😬
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« Reply #296 on: March 26, 2021, 09:38:30 AM »

I think histamine intolerance is less of a traditional intolerance and more that it builds to a level in the body that becomes toxic. So I suppose if you have allergies your histamine will be high anyway so oestrogen will then exacerbate it. Which may explain why you feel bad on high dose oestrogen pills.

I’m under the same gynae as Reb and she suggested Eloine to me which I’ve just got the script for but I haven’t tried it yet. For me I need to level out the oestrogen to prevent the big spikes in the first half of my cycle which make me feel very depressed and jittery and exhausted then to prevent the giant mood drop pre period.

Good luck with the GP x
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CrispyChick

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« Reply #297 on: March 26, 2021, 09:51:03 AM »

I think I'll Bury my head about histamine intolerance... I can't cope with going down another rabbit whole.  ;D. I'll keep taking my antihistamines and see if it helps.

I'm totally the same. I need to level my estrogen surges. I've been quite ill with them. First half of cycle is awful for me. I'm definitely more level after 10 weeks on microgynon. But this head thing is making me feel so bad.

I've tried the special request. I'll call up a d see if they're happy to action it, otherwise I'll need to make an appointment, which seems pointless when the meno clinic have already told me to try different pills...

It's such a nightmare. When are you starting eloine??? I'll be following closely. Are you on anything just now?

I'm guessing I'll feel the downward shunt of estrogen, but hopefully as I already have a lot of hormones in my system, the change will be smoother...
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RebJT

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Re: GP has prescribed Qlaira - Feeling scared and need encouragement!
« Reply #298 on: March 26, 2021, 10:07:49 AM »

Hi

Just to say the thing to remember about histamine is not only does estrogen exacerbate it, but estrogen causes it, which in turn causes more estrogen - histamine tells the ovaries to release more estrogen, estrogen tells the mast cells to release more histamine. it also has an action on the prostoglandins in the uterus, which is what causes all the pain, cramping and heavy bleeding.

This is the very crux of my dilemma, how to tolerate the initial exposure to exogenous estrogen long enough to shut down my ovaries and switch off this roller coaster, without - like Scampi says - getting to the level of toxicity I'm just detoxing off now (I am a pretty broad shouldered person, I've been incredibly ill with thyroid disease, very treacherous stuff, so no stranger to suffering, I've also got cPTSD and have had to shiver and shake through a very painful recovery, I'm quite a brave and stoic person, and this nightmare honestly is worse than anything I've ever had to suffer).

I don't know what the answer is for any of us really, I'm still fuming that trial and error, when we all suffer like we do, is about all there is, but I don't know about you guys, it's the highly strung stuff of all this that's just unbearable, that poisioned, tense, stressed body feeling. 

I'll let you know if I hear from Newsom, I'm doctor shopping, there must be some answers somewhere!

I'm liking the sound of Eloine also, thinking that might be an option.

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« Reply #299 on: March 26, 2021, 11:13:10 AM »

I haven’t started Eloine yet I’m just waiting for it to be delivered. So I’ll let you know how it goes ok course. Pretty scared about it really. The last pill I tried in 2017 was Mercillon I think and it made me feel dreadful and I think I was only on it for two weeks x
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