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Spangles

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Re: Tiredness and Anxiety
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2019, 07:52:47 PM »

Thank you Wrensong, that makes sense to me as I always wake hungry! Thing is I always have breakfast but never rush up to get it xXx
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Wrensong

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Re: Tiredness and Anxiety
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2019, 08:24:59 PM »

In a nutshell & off top of my head, the idea is to prevent the pancreas overproducing insulin in response to a flood of sugar, which can result in too low a level of blood sugar a while later & all the horrible symptoms that come with it: faintness, drowsiness, anxiety, dizziness, nausea, sweating, flushing, palpitations, shaking, inexplicable irritability . . .  So . . .

Complex carbs with a good portion of protein at every main meal.
No white carbs, no sugar (sorry).
Fresh fruit is OK but not too much in one go & be careful with high sugar fruits such as mango. 
Dried fruit if you must but only in small portions & with nuts or another source of protein.
Have any fruit salads with a main meal & high protein natural yoghurt (such as Greek).
Plenty of veg - fibre slows down digestion & gives meals more staying power. 
Eat spuds with skins & avoid massive baked spuds or big portions of pasta/rice!  Again, always have with protein.
Sweet potatoes better than white & can help cravings for less healthy sweet foods if you miss them. 
Moderate sized meals rather than big/small. 
Try not to go more than 4 hours without food. 
Healthy snacks between meals if you need them - eg oatcakes with a little (cottage) cheese, natural yoghurt with nuts, no added sugar muesli etc. 
Check labels to be sure carb content is not too high - e.g. muesli that contains dried fruit can be surprisingly high in sugars.
No undiluted fruit juice & if you must have juice, have it with a main meal.
Alcohol upsets blood sugar (sorry - don't shoot the messenger!)
Be wary of caffeine too.
Never exercise on empty.  Have a healthy snack an hour beforehand.
A little supper, such as a small bowl of muesli or couple of oatcakes with natural yoghurt before bed can help get you through the night.

End of sermon!!  Just kidding - all things that helped me - may not suit others, but maybe something useful to take from it.
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Spangles

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Re: Tiredness and Anxiety
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2019, 08:39:45 PM »

Thank you so much!
I don't drink or have caffeine and some of the things you mention make me gag, (sorry). I will look at my diet a little more though as I'm not the best ‘eater', never have been tbh. I just have very little interest in food and often find it difficult to eat a balanced diet. It's definitely a problem for me to maintain a healthy eating plan but I must do better xXx
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Wrensong

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Re: Tiredness and Anxiety
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2019, 09:14:43 AM »

Ooh Spangles - sorry to make you think of foods you find unpalatable  :o.  It is sometimes worth having a rethink about nutrition at menopause (as well as exercise & ways of relaxing) as I think anything we can do to help us feel better during what can amount to a marathon of endurance, just gives a feeling of a bit more control & that can help confidence about getting through & out the other side.  :)
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Kathleen

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Re: Tiredness and Anxiety
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2019, 10:27:10 AM »

Hello again ladies

As you know I am also thinking a lot about my diet though it's more like obsessing actually lol. I completely agree that natural foods are best and that fibre is our friend. Anyone interested in the subject may want to look up Dr John McDougall,  Dr Michael Greger and Dr Neal Barnard. There are other medical doctors who have also studied the role that nutrition plays in our health. Annoyingly I haven't found any studies specific to treating the menopause although I know Marilyn Glenville recommends flaxseed as part of her regime.

I am likely to be missing something so I'll keep searching. Hopefully we can help ourselves by making good food choices as I can't believe mother nature intended us to feel so rotten for so long!

Wishing everyone well.

K.
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Wrensong

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Re: Tiredness and Anxiety
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2019, 06:24:22 PM »

Thank you Kathleen.  Have noted the names & will have a look.  Still find nutrition fascinating & like you, never give up hope of improving health by learning more about it.
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Jari

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Re: Tiredness and Anxiety
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2019, 07:14:35 PM »

Hi ladies,

Talking of foods, what do you have for breakfast? I've been having a cup of muesli and oats mixed and 2 dessert spoons of ground flaxseeds. With 6-8 stewed prunes with juice and almond milk on top.

An apple or two mid morning.

Lunch I try to have home made hummus with 2 carrots and red peppers

Dinner green lentils with garlic, onions and spices and a couple of small handfuls if wholemeal pasta.

Is this too much to eat in a day do you think? I'm finding it about right as long as I'm also exercising. I could probably do with adding more fruit n veg.

What are you eating typically in a day? X
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Kathleen

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Re: Tiredness and Anxiety
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2019, 08:08:03 PM »

Hello again ladies.

On a typical day I eat a bowl of oats for breakfast with chopped pitted dates two tablespoons of ground flaxseed and soya milk. Lunch is a large salad which includes dark green leafy vegetables,. starchy vegetables such as rice or pasta and some beans. I then add anything else to hand. My evening meal is something I've cooked  from one of my vegan cookery books. Snacks are fruit and nuts plus anything I've made such as flapjacks. I have always eaten something just before I go to bed and these days it's another bowl of oats and dates. I often have some dark chocolate as well and eating late has never given me indigestion.

I have completely gone off tea and never liked coffee so I drink water throughout the day.

Some days I eat more than others but I never calorie count and my weight remains stable. My BMI , cholesterol, blood pressure and blood sugar are all at the low end of normal.

I think my diet is pretty typical for anyone eating whole food plant based but I realise it may seem odd  to some people.

As I've said before I made these changes because I wanted to eat anti inflammatory foods to get my Ulcerative Colitis into remission and avoid other inflammatory diseases that UC sufferers often experience.

I hope this helps ladies.

Wishing you all well.

K.
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Re: Tiredness and Anxiety
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2019, 02:08:22 PM »

My daughter (nearly 23) is a natural born vegan.  Only had one bite of pheasant her whole life.  I believe a slice of chicken made it on to her plate once, then she changed her mind.  Slightly odd considering we're meat eaters, but hey ho, it was very clear from when she was tiny that this wasn't her way.  She eats a lot of protein though.  What I've noticed with her is that when she's tired she's really tired, and when she's lively she's really lively.  If she gets over-tired she can't sleep and then becomes jittery - shaking on the inside.  The only thing that helps her then is proper proper rest, long baths, foot massages, Deliveroo (lol).  It's like she gets depleted and, because she doesn't rely on coffee or tea or sugar or alcohol, there's no quick fix.  I think she's learned to take it in her stride now.  She knows that once every two or three months she'll have to take a week - 10 days completely out and gather her strength.  Part of me wonders whether it's because she feels so wonderfully healthy the rest of the time that this low phase knocks her for six.

Feel better soon. x
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Kathleen

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Re: Tiredness and Anxiety
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2019, 05:49:59 PM »

Hello again ladies.

Yet another post I've only just caught up with lol!

Elk Warning -  your post about your daughter is very interesting and obviously her issues are not menopausal though they may be hormonal?  I am also vegan though the term I use is 'whole food plant based' meaning I don't eat anything processed. Similarly to your daughter, when I feel good I feel really good but when I'm tired I can't relax and become jittery. I assume a lot of this is due to meno and my disturbed sleep but I suppose diet may be playing a part. Everyone I know drinks tea or coffee or eats lots of chocolate as a pick me up.

Your point that your daughter really notices her fatigue because she feels so energised the rest of the time is very interesting. I've read many accounts from vegans saying they had more energy when they gave up eating  animal products. Also a plant based diet is anti inflammatory and high in fibre, both of which are beneficial to our health ( though of course a B12 supplement needs to be included).

I became vegan to treat an inflammatory disease and now I've stopped HRT so  I'm hoping it will balance my hormones. There's a theory based on population studies  that suggests lifelong vegan women have an easy menopause so your daughter may escape all the troubles that we are encountering. Now wouldn't that be nice!

Wishing you well.

K.
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Jari

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« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2019, 06:10:41 PM »

Hi Kathleen. How interesting that you are vegan. I've been vegetarian for many years, but  have been moving more towards vegan for the last couple.
I'm really enjoying it actually and trying different recipes. I'd like to make sauerkraut as I love it and usually buy in jars. Next thing to try to do.
Also loving making health bars inc oats, dates, nuts and cocoa nibs and they're lovely with morning coffee. :)

My energy levels are always quite good. X
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CLKD

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Re: Tiredness and Anxiety
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2019, 06:39:58 PM »

I think that the daughter and Kathleen may be suffering from low blood sugar.  What proteins are ingested?  Protein is important overall so maybe have a think whether hormones are involved, i.e. in the daughter's case, pre-menstrual?  Which may burn off energy which isn't being replaced.

Being able to take 10 days out would have been lovely when I was having period problems: clots++, pain which almost caused me to jump off a bridge, tiredness: but I wouldn't have kept my job!  Maybe ElkWarning she needs to eat more protein 5 days prior to when she would expect to need time out?  Does she keep a diary? 

Dr Kath Dalton suggested eating every 3 hours to keep sugar levels even.  In the mid-1990s that regime saved my Life .......... I still try to stick to it all these years later.  Even in the night - puppy soon learned that there was a biscuit to be had after she went out to pee in the early hours  ;D

My go to:

dried fruits and nuts
bananas
Ready brek anyone  8) - made with lots of milk rather than thick and stodgy
Hot custard with full fat milk - again runny
Pancakes - these can be mixed and kept in the fridge for a few days ready to eat ASAP
chicken cooked in rice with veg. - so substitute the meat for a good protein base

When not well I stick to fried chicken with rice for weeks  :-\.  When well I can branch out a bit  ::)

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Re: Tiredness and Anxiety
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2019, 07:20:15 PM »

Odd that a roast doesn't 'go through you' Teresa - greasy foods can loosen my bowels  ::).  Nuts can be greasy particular Brazils which I love and are a good source of selenium?  Apparently.  What's in your sandwich usually?  >passes a dish for the crumble with custard< thanks  :D [unless it's rhubarb  :beaurk:]

Jari - I don't think that you are eating enough  :-\

We had access to fresh foods whilst growing up, everyone had gardens and grew crops.  Dig 4 Victory still very much in the forefront of their minds.  Meat and two/3 veg..  Eggs which I can't tolerate these days unless in  :cake:  - does that count  ;D.  Boiled; scrambled; poached; fried ........ DH makes a fried egg sandwich very often  :sick02:

Rich tea biscuits are good when travelling as are those small boxes of flakes ..... which can be eaten without milk.  Ginger biscuits are good too.  DH adds a lot of ginger and garlic to our main meals .......... curries are good for the gut and there are loads of vegetarian recipes as in many areas of India meat goes off so people are vegetarian as a necessity. 
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Re: Tiredness and Anxiety
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2019, 07:27:26 PM »

Beware Girls I had a thought  ;D

Regardless of what you like to eat now: think about how we are designed initially.  Teeth are for meat eating.  Gut takes time to digest different food stuffs but can't remember where Michael Moseley's book is to let you know more  ::).  We are decorating so everything is in a pile.  Somewhere. 

Think about what we would eat in our cave days: raw meat, bones, fat and marrow; plus fruits from the hedgerows - when foods were available.  Don't know what we drank then probably water from rivers.  Eventually someone decided to cook meat and on we went.  Always a mix dependant on what was available and always seasonal.  Until someone developed salting and curing ............ and people became settled so cattle, sheep, oxen were herded for meat, skins, milk.  Bones used for sewing skins for clothing.  Wool for clothing and rugs/blankets. 

What we eat is so individual.  There are foods I couldn't face: corned beef and tripe spring to mind  :-X. I go off foods quite quickly, i.e. cheese for lunch for weeks then YUK!  Veg I love.  Roasted, steamed, raw .......... personally I can cut out eggs and fish but not chicken or meat.  A small handful of nuts daily as a filler.  Trying to cut out bought cakes and pastries  ::)
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Jari

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Re: Tiredness and Anxiety
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2019, 07:38:31 PM »

I'm definitely eating enough CLKD.  Need to cut down portion sizes really.
Today I had: no sugar muesli with ground flaxseeds and a few big dollops of stewed prunes and juice with some almond milk and two kiwis.
Through day 3 big apples and a couple handfuls of Brazil nuts.
Filter coffee, black with brown sugar at breakfast.
Two glasses of water ( no-where near enough) am bad at drinking water.
Dinner, stir fried veg, red pepper, half onion, garlic, half courgette, 3 big leaves of chopped cabbage, one big cup of cooked rice and one big cup of cooked lentils.

2 glasses of dry white wine.

Oh and a handful of dates.

Love ginger and garlic in foods. Must buy some ginger. Thanks for reminding me. X
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