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pants46

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Re: Worried, scared, upset
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2019, 09:17:19 PM »

ElkWarning. Your colleague was right. I've been off work for nearly 4 weeks now ... and I work from home 4 days a week already !!
I have an important role at my company, but have only been in the job 6 months. I had surgery at the end of January (one ovary removed) and went back to work 2 days later. I kept going and going. I was having panic attacks and ended up on the phone to a colleage (who happens to be the company's employment lawyer !!), and she said I needed to take time.
My boss, a man in the USA, has been so supportive.  I ended up telling him pretty much everything that was going on (although I skipped the vaginal atrophy bit   ;D).
You have to trust that your company will be supportive. Get yourself signed off. Talk to HR. If they don't have a specific menopause policy, you are covered under the Equal Opportunities legislation.
If you had flu, or broke a leg you would take time off to heal. This is what you need to do now.
And yes, it's like being hit by a truck. One that you don't see coming and the driver doesn't stop to see if you are ok !!
I suggest you spend tomorrow in bed. I've spent an awful lot if time in my bed over the last 4 weeks ... it's my safe place. :)
Hope you've eaten something this evening.
Big hugs. Pants. x
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Re: Worried, scared, upset
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2019, 08:42:32 AM »

Elkwarning - so sorry to hear this.  Pants is right - have a good talk to your GP & get signed off.  Your employer needs to take this seriously & put measures in place to help you through this patch, but for now you need to rest.  Sending a big hug.
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Re: Worried, scared, upset
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2019, 09:10:31 AM »

Skipped the vaginal atrophy bit :)

We don't take time, do we, until we're forced to, I guess.  Even sitting here this morning, I'm thinking of all the things I could be doing while I'm at home sick, how much I could cram into the day.  Now I'm in a state I can see this is a symptom of panic disorder, whereby I just can't relax, ever, and this is the issue.  Also, getting well, I've realised, is a goal so that I can go back to being 'superwoman', so this ain't never going to work under these terms.

Made a doctor's appointment for 3pm.  If my blood pressure is going up instead of down on the medication, and it was urgent before, then it must still be urgent now, especially with all this anxiety and lack of HRT feeding into it.  Re: the menopause policy and equal ops, ye, I have to talk to my line manager, but there's a few things going on at the same time - operating loss, staff cuts, workload being shifted from central to local, and so they're not keen to accept this is having a negative impact and would prefer to make it entirely personal.  There was a restructure last October (which is when my issues started) and my boss (professor / consultant psychiatry who was my line manger) became my day-to-day supervisor and line management was shifted to a new 'operations manager', who has no experience of the research setting and either doesn't understand, or doesn't want to understand, what's going on.  She's outwardly supportive, but ... odd for her not to have acted on the recommendations of the occupational health report from 10 days ago, or that I had to chase her for a catch up, which she said she didn't have time for.

So how are you doing now, after four weeks, Pants?  Bed sounds good.  And I'll see what the doc says, Wren.  Of course, I have very little sick leave on file and stacks of annual leave to take.

Ladies, thank you so much.  Now for a vegan bacon sandwich :)
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pants46

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Re: Worried, scared, upset
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2019, 01:56:14 PM »

ElkW, please don't use your annual leave for this, it's not what it's there for  :-\
I actually came close to resigning a couple of months back,  I just felt terrible and felt so guilty that the company had only just hired me. I made it to the 6 month's of employment stage, then got signed off for 2 weeks. Tried to go back, but burst into tears on the call with HR. She told me I wasn't ready to come back !!  So I've taken another couple of weeks. Go back on Wednesday.
As I work from home 4 days out of 5, I should be able to manage it. If I don't make it to London for a few weeks, it won't cause any major problems.
I've slept a lot over the past 4 weeks. Like you, I think about what I can get done at home while I'm not working. But I haven't had the energy or motivation to do much. It's a good day if I have washed my hair !!
Yesterday was ok ... I had a bit of energy, and felt a little lighter. Didn't really know what to do with myself. But today I'm  back to feeling sluggish.
You need to take it easy. Stuff around the house can wait. Snuggle down somewhere comfy and cool with a good book, a bbc iPlayer box set or netflix. Chill. xx
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Re: Worried, scared, upset
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2019, 08:51:19 AM »

Hi ElkWarning
Sorry to hear you are going through a very bad time with you BP and anxiety.
I suffered a similar thing about 4 years ago with my BP going up very high. Even called an ambulance.
I was so scared at the time which wasn't helping my BP. I used to lay in bed with a BP monitor. I tried medication, ramipril, my BP was dipping to 90 over 50 at times. In the end I went to a cardiologist and got checked out. All was fine it was the anxiety pushing it up. It didn't settle over night, it has taken a while. All okay now, I'm not any medication for it,just run and swim every day. I'm using the evorell conti patches.
Hope you are better soon xx
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ElkWarning

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Re: Worried, scared, upset
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2019, 09:42:44 AM »

Hello, just thought I'd check in with you lovely ladies.

The doctor's appt on Wednesday went really well.  Turns out all my bloods were back and that seemed to make a huge difference as they're all great.  The doc said she wasn't worried about my BP at all.  It peaks high, like it would for someone under a lot of stress, but my morning readings are perfectly fine, almost better than fine.  We had a brief chat about why I was so messed up in the head about all of this, and she said it's likely because of two factors, me saying I drink slightly over the weekly limit, and because I'm an ex-smoker.  Apparently, it's generally accepted that they double whatever it is you admit to drinking, and if you've been a smoker, they make certain judgements which are usually right about your lifestyle.  Long story short, it appears they were trying to shock me into changing a lifestyle they thought I had ... Well, I was shocked, horribly, and then just ended up in a tail spin.  Now they have my bloods, they can see there's nothing wrong with my kidneys or liver or pancreas, so they started treating me differently.

The doc's advice was to increase the BP medication to 5mgs of Ramipril, and while I've had a couple of low readings, I do still seem to be in the 150 / 90 zone (it's quite a bit lower than this earlier in the day).  She was also quite keen that I should lose a couple of stone (currently 11.5, 5ft 4").  I did realise that while my main diet is fine, I do tend to snack out a bit, so it's fruit and calorie counting for a while.  I've also upped my step count on my Fitbit thingy ... I've signed up for the mindfulness, pilates and yoga at lunchtime at work.  I know it seems like more, and a plan, and another goal, but on the plus side, it's also about me and being away from my desk and creating new habits, putting myself first.  I checked out swimming as well, and was surprised to find my little local pool is a lot more accessible than it used to be, so I'll be trotting up there once or twice a week - I really do love swimming.

And it's interesting what you say, Vicky, sounds so much like me.  I do feel like it's my anxiety driving it, which then drives my anxiety, that in turn drives it.  It's a loop.  I can't think of anything else to do other than try and learn to relax more.  I have more bloods tomorrow, as the doc basically said we're going to do a full cancer work up, so you know you don't have that, and then maybe you can let go of your health anxiety ...

Pants, you sound depressed sweetheart, although I have a bit of an odd view about depression, which is that I think it can sometimes be productive reflective time ... obviously, it can also be really debilitating.

I took Thursday off, but after the chat with the doctor I did feel so much better.  Went in on Friday to find an invite in my calendar for that day for a stress risk assessment from my new line manager (who obviously knew I was off Thursday with huge stress).  It turned out she needed to do it then, because she wanted to wedge it in before her annual leave and my next appt with the OH.  We went through it, which was a bit tricky, as I carry them out in my Dept, and am trained to do so, whereas this was her first one and she hasn't had any training.  She was very keen to put all workplace stressor as low and home stressors as high.  I was then told we had nearly a £1 million hole in our operating budget, so we would all have to work harder with less resources.  This was a moment of realisation, I guess, as I suddenly became aware that I've been quite lent on for a long time to go 'above and beyond'.  I'm going to spend next week rewriting my job description, as suggested by the OH, just to make it perfectly clear what I am meant to be doing and what's really not my responsibility.  In that way, I can push back when work keeps walking through my door, and also show where the holes are in professional services provision in the unit.

So let's see where I am in a couple of weeks ... I do still feel I'm on the 'breathe' part of the whole equation.

Huggles.

EK

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CLKD

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Re: Worried, scared, upset
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2019, 10:42:35 AM »

Is she in a position to tell you about the 'hole in finances' I would have thought that this was outside her remit.

You can't be sacked for being ill.  There has to be support in place and there has 2 be consultation periods .........

Treat this like a dose of 'flu.  If you have 'flu, you don't get out of bed  ;)


There is no such thing as a vegan bacon sandwich!  I've eaten a proper pork bacon on toast lunch this morning ;-).  Vegan is OK but please don't make out that you eat a 'bacon' sandwich!
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Wrensong

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Re: Worried, scared, upset
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2019, 01:50:37 PM »

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Apparently, it's generally accepted that they double whatever it is you admit to drinking, and if you've been a smoker, they make certain judgements which are usually right about your lifestyle.  Long story short, it appears they were trying to shock me into changing a lifestyle they thought I had ... Well, I was shocked, horribly, and then just ended up in a tail spin.  Now they have my bloods, they can see there's nothing wrong with my kidneys or liver or pancreas, so they started treating me differently.

I feel upset & angry for you that your GP plunged you into panic with this misguided approach - making assumptions about your lifestyle.  I had heard the doubling of alcohol intake rule before, which makes me despair.  Surely a GP consultation where we are asking for help demands honesty from all parties?  Whatever happened to trust?

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I can't think of anything else to do other than try and learn to relax more.
  I think your plans for the various exercise/relaxation activities are great & should help, providing these, on top of your job, don't leave you rushing from one class to another . . . leaving no time for just chilling.

Time to be a human being, rather than a human doing?!
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Re: Worried, scared, upset
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2019, 04:07:34 PM »

I like that phrase Wrensong - a human being rather than a human doing!  :)  I think we ALL fall into that trap.

I think your GP gave with one hand Elkwarning and took with the other.  Fancy suggesting that their patients are "lying about their alcohol intake" which is what she was doing when she said they take what they are told and double it!  Huh - that's not on!
and the OH was'nt that helpful either.  Fancy telling you there is an operating hole in the budget when you are already "so above and beyond" it is affecting everything about your health!  Talk about guilt trip!! I'm quite cross on your behalf...honestly what planet are these people on?

You always sound so reasonable when you post but you really must remember it is "all about you" now and you're new "healthy living" plan sounds great.  Hope it works out - will be looking out for your updates  :)  Tell us how you are getting on.
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Re: Worried, scared, upset
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2019, 08:36:27 PM »

I think that anyone who pushes the financial state of a Company is looking over their shoulder already.  In other words, don't rock the boat!  Which should be ignored. 

Maybe jot down a time-line of your symptoms and meetings with HR etc. and make copies of any e-mails - is there a Union at work? You are entitled to a Union Rep at such meetings.
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Re: Worried, scared, upset
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2019, 11:02:24 AM »

I have been on ramipril low dose for a year went for Dr appointment as thought I was going mad was told by the nurse blood pressure was high so Dr put me on Double the dose also put me on HRT I left it 3 weeks before taking the Hrt to make sure I could work out any side effects basically blood pressure is still high. I used to use magnesium but didn't think I could take that as well as blood pressure tablets. The HRT I have now been on for a month the I'm going mad thing has improved sleeping better as flushed not so bad I was ofter dizzy and had blurry vision which has stopped all things that I never connected to menapause. Only thing is my Breasts are really tender is this very common? I'm trying to book a Dr appointment to take BP readings to but its so hard to book In.
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Re: Worried, scared, upset
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2019, 12:25:47 PM »

Yes tender breasts are very common on starting hrt.  There are going to be fluctuations and the considered "wisdom" on hrt is that it will take at least 3 months for some symptoms or all of them to "settle".  Some of us it takes longer but generally 3 months is what you should give it before making any kind of changes to the routine or the regime.

I am on hrt on a cycle regime although I am post meno.  I still get sore breasts during the progesterone part of the cycle and during the bleeding bit, although it is much less than when I started hrt.

Personal experience and also some of the ladies on here seem to say that the longer you have had really really bad symptoms, then the longer it takes for the body to readjust.  One month is early days.  Let us know how you get on.
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« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2019, 05:58:56 PM »

Yes, Nicola.  Sore boobs.  And sorry to hear about the going mad thing.  Sounds as if the HRT is really helping though with some symptoms you don't want to have and don't feel comfortable with being loads better.  Onwards and upwards as they say.

CLKD, aye, well, personally I think there's all sorts of politicking going on at work.  It's a much longer story about how research is horribly under-valued in the academy these days.  I believe they would like to make this my fault, I also believe they'll have a bloody difficult job doing that.  My line manager has just screwed up recruitment for two posts in my department (it's not her department) that my academic boss has just had to cancel his annual leave this Friday to sort it out.  Make of that what you will <<< frustrating <<< stress producing.

And ladies, I like human being rather than human doing ... and vegan bacon sandwiches, they are a thing, not nearly as nice as actual bacon sandwiches, but I tend to eat what's left in the fridge.

So, quickie update, BP still high, but not catastrophically high anymore, sort of 140/150ish over 90ish.  I've narrowed down my 'new me' options to yoga twice a week and swimming once a week.  This is doable without me running around like a blue-arsed fly from one thing to another.  I've decided which project I'm going to pursue over the next year - edit my husband's lectures into a book, basically, it's load of audio typing, but as I started out as an audio typist, it's not too bad, and I'm attending the lectures in any event, so it won't be too confusing.  I'm also going to continue with a little blog I have about personal and political stuff all seen through the lens of what's going on at the allotment.  These are just musings really. 

^^ this should help with the breathing and mood stuff.  I can organise the tasks sensibly as a lot of it is pretty elastic.

My Fitbit with its app is helping monitor the sleep and water intake - I'm amazed at how drinking more water really does help.

Saw the nurse today and she encouraged me just to stick with things I enjoy and not go at it like a bull in a china shop.  I go back to see her in three weeks for a check up.  She also told me to stop taking my blood pressure, to ignore it completely, and only start up again on 12th June, seven days before I see her.

As a complete aside, my son-in-law's brother is a tattooist, and I've booked two with him (I have others).  I'm going to get the words 'No one's slave, no one's master' done on the inside of my right arm, so as I reach out to give or accept things from people, I'm saying it.  Wanted it for ages.  Thought it would look silly on an old lady.

Catch up soon.

Big love to all.

I couldn't have done it without you.

xxx
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Re: Worried, scared, upset
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2019, 06:10:53 PM »

Elkwarning, you are sooo organised & so positive.  I am proud of you!   :medal:

Just don't let them get away with taking advantage of your conscientiousness & good nature at work.  Your health & wellbeing are too important for work to be allowed to compromise them. 

Love the tattoo idea!  Yes, please keep us all updated.
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Re: Worried, scared, upset
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2019, 10:40:07 PM »

I didn't just want to disappear, but I'm very conscious that I'm constantly talking about myself and that makes me feel a bit odd and needy.

The blood pressure still hasn't really shifted.  I started taking it again, as instructed by the nurse, on 12th June.  It's 150ish over 90ish.

I've settled into a routine: yoga once a week, swimming once a week, very very gentle gym twice a week.  Just making that space for myself has had a significant impact.  I've started doing things that I haven't done for ages, like painting my nails.  I don't think I'd realised quite how 'Yes to everyone else, no time left for me' I'd become.  And you were all right.  Stop.  Slow down.  Press the pause button.  Breathe.

Things at work are tough and easy all at the same time.  Tough because my line manager isn't taking into account the recommendations of occupational health.  I have another meeting on Monday to go through the Stress Risk Assessment again.  It's all a bit odd.  OH are saying you should do this (x, y, z) immediately so that you're complying with disability and discrimination legislation, and management are saying they just need to complete the risk assessment and x, y and z require careful consideration at some point in the future.  Consequently, OH are currently refusing to sign me off because nothing is being put in place ... Alongside this, the proverbial has hit the fan at work with the introduction of staff cuts.  We were all called to a big meeting and told that vacant posts would be left vacant to save money.  From my perspective, it looks as if management have decided that they're going to treat my health status and the intervention of OH as a cynical move on my part to try and leverage the situation ...

Anyway, why is it easy?  Because I don't care.  I've had one day off sick, and even then I was attending a doctor's appointment.  I turn up on time, when I can't get stuff done I explain it's because of a strategic policy adopted by management.  Not my fault, not my problem.  No more working through lunch hours or trying to prove what a valuable member of staff I am.  It's just so easy once you put yourself first and realise they don't really give a rat's ass.  I literally have no idea why I just spent four / five years of my life trying so hard.  I guess that's the funny thing about letting go, once you do it, you've let go.

But yes, just come home from the allotment.  Weeded my garlic patch.  Took the little doggo with me.  Had a lovely time watching the sun go down while munching on rice cakes and an apple.

Once again, I can't thank you enough, ladies.  xxx
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