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[Daisydot]

That's great Wilks I'm pleased for you it's quite laughable that viagra can now be bought otc,boots have a huge promotion in our store on that,yet women have to pay horrendous amounts privately for it,I've had no sudden urges as yet it would be lovely if that happened but right now it's not top of my list,I probably have had such a low sex drive for so many years I've kind of accepted my lot now but my husband is still as up for it as ever lol.we all know there's more than one way to skin a cat though lol.
I'll pribably get told off now and shifted to privates column lol.

[Lisa1966]

Daisydot you little minx    xx

[Daisydot]

😘 lol

[Hurdity]

I wish someone would conduct a study into the use of testosterone in women, to enable clearer guidelines to be drawn up. It makes me frustrated that some women are struggling to get the opportunity to even try it, then of those of us who do get the chance, most of us are prescribed a formulation designed for men, and even then, it can be hard to find a pharmacy that stocks it, and finally.... if you've actually got your hand on the stuff it takes some trial and error getting the dose right!

I absolutely agree there Wilks - I think most of us do! The very frustrating thing is that there was a product available and tested for women - the Intrinsa patches - which were introduced briefly for a few years and withdrawn some years before the NICE Guidelines (can't remember the exact dates) but they were withdrawn for commercial not safety reasons. Given the increase in off-licence testosterone prescriptions being made for women both privately and on NHS you would think there should be commercial gain in reintroducing them.

I am wondering if anything is being done about this - if anyone sees Nick Panay I am sure he would know as would other gynaes and GPs who prescribe it regularly I'm sure eg Lousie Newson? Perhpas if any members are seeing someone eminent soon and are being prescribed T they could ask this question?

That's great Wilks I'm pleased for you it's quite laughable that viagra can now be bought otc,boots have a huge promotion in our store on that,yet women have to pay horrendous amounts privately for it,I've had no sudden urges as yet it would be lovely if that happened but right now it's not top of my list,I probably have had such a low sex drive for so many years I've kind of accepted my lot now but my husband is still as up for it as ever lol.we all know there's more than one way to skin a cat though lol.
I'll pribably get told off now and shifted to privates column lol.

  - no need to worry - topics that you have started will only be moved if you want them to be. Sometimes members start a topic without realising it can be seen by all and sundry including maybe the person they are  discussing, or if the topic is delicate in some way , so are relieved to have the topic moved! Incidentally for me the urges haven't changed especially through use of T but the response has improved immeasurably .

Hurdity x

[Daisydot]

There's no way that any of these consultants will encourage this on the nhs Hurdety at £108 a tube paid by each client there's too much money to be made and remember they also pocket £30 for each private script on top of that £108 we,re paying to the suppliers.This is what gets my back up yes it's great and dandy that these people say oh we help the ordinary woman on her meno journey and we are opening fancy new clinics in more places around the country with more meno consultants available but how can you say that and at the same time justify charging us hundreds of pounds for consultations and then hundreds for blood tests and hundreds for the scripts we need,then you have the Hurdity the dancing girls the tempests etc on this forum who freely give pretty much the same advice as these consultants do but with a true straight from the heart reason,not for any kind of financial gain.Im not saying they shouldn't earn a living but for Christ's sake keep it within the reach of the ordinary woman so they can all benefit.everytime I see that headliner we have helped thousands of women in our clinics all I equate that with is yes and boy have you had a nice little earner at the expense of our suffering.

[Dotty]

I agree Daisydot . It's wonderful that all these GPs and consultants are prepared to help us but do they really need to charge us £200 for an appointment ? I'm sure they could charge a lot less and still make profit.

[dangermouse]

A lot of that money goes towards the rents and service in Harley Street etc. which can be very expensive. When I've worked there I've paid a lot but ended up in quite dingy rooms so I can only imagine how much the posh ones are! My clients preferred dingy but cheaper though, as I suspect everyone would.

[Wilks]

Not only the £200 per consultation but the travel. The nearest menopause specialist to me is an hour's drive away so I had to take half a day off work from my (stingy) holiday allowance!
It's not only menopause. These days it's nigh on impossible to see a neurologist about migraine, so if your GP can't help you, it's the National Migraine Centre in London. I've been there 3 times, with £150 for an appointment, a massive train fare and a whole day off work!!!

[Daisydot]

How can anybody justify an hourly rate of £400+ And I'm being lenient because we all know it can be much higher than this depending where you go and length of appointment.
I don't doubt for a minute that Harley street room rentals are costly and be honest that's all about ego at the end of the day,but we're not only talking about one area in the U.K. we're talking about widespread clinics,they could at the very least set up a few well woman clinics on a charity status to help the less well off people and therefore take pressure off the nhs at the same time but the reality is we are pissng in the wind it'll never happen,they could set up a room in the local gyms for minimal costs once a month (tax deductible remembe)with a meno nurse,Nuffield use our gym for private gp consults so it's perfectly feasible and some of that huge profit they make could fund this again with some very nice tax exemptions.never happen though will it.

[Robin]

Or... here's a novel idea they could get it out there how much nhs money is being wasted on unnecessary investigations, treatments and interventions and get it redirected into nhs menopause clinics around the country so that all women can access the treatment they need without all the stress of traipsing hundreds of miles when they are at their most vulnerable.

I've personally cost the NHS thousands and most of that would have been unnecessary if only it had been recognised and treated as the menopause. The personal costs to my health and wellbeing have been enormous. Far far more than I can say here.

Sorry rant over

Thanks for all the support and advice I've received here ladies. I wouldnt have been able to set myself on the path to recovery without it x

[Hurdity]

Daisdot - that's why I get so mad about private treatment!!!! Women are being exploited!!! If it cost say £50 for an appointment for say 30 mins, it wouldn't be so bad but some of the prices are ludicrous and yes - there should be way more NHS menopause clinics. There is not a single one in the SW of England!!! Re the Intrinsa patches - I don't think they were expensive but yes the Androfeme cream sounds ludicrous in price too. I presume it if it was licensed and produced in bulk the price would come down but why is it that price anyway? Who is making the money?! We could rant for hours Robin (but Poldark is on soon  )

Hurdity x

[Robin]

   poldark can quell my rage any day ..sigh. I think my testosterone may be beginning to work 

[Daisydot]

Great posts ladies but watch that blood pressure with Poldark lol Robin you dirty beast !!xx enjoy xx

[Robin]

 

[Tempest]

I agree, DD! I had to give up on the private meno. consultant I used as she wanted me to make another appointment after I contacted her to say that the Everol patches I was precribed wouldn't stick. So another fee. Sorry - but i'm not a bottomless pit of money! Oh well - got a large box of testosterone out of it at least that I wasn't able to use as I had no ERT to go with it......xxxx