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[Peroxideblader]

Lizab I know what you mean don't worry but relax hmmmm not the right phrase hahaha...I've many more health issues too so this just topped it off..and the sleep deprivation is awful afyer so many years it's not occasional that I could cope with and the other meno symptoms are all liveable with but so little sleep makes it all ten times worse.
I'll look at sleep clinics again clkd because let's face it I've got 20 wake hours a day so plenty of time 😏

[Butterfly22]

Just don't forget your not alone, this is just not the right one for you and bringing on side effects you don't want which WILL pass
Someone is always round so please if you feel low have a chat, knowing it's not just you sometimes can be of some comfort xxx

[lesley998]

Hello peroxide

I use Biovea 3mg fast dissolve strawberry melatonin, I crunch up a tab about 9pm with a mini breadstick as carbs are supposed to help.  It did take about two weeks to notice it working.  I sometimes take Phenergan or Nytol but it gives me restless legs.  I listen to white noise/rain on a roof/Hoover sounds on my sleep phones /iPod..really helps as husband snores like a bull and doesn't help matters! I was once advised years ago to stare into the weak morning sun as it rises, (if you are up anyway) as it does something to stimulate the pineal gland and restores natural melatonin? People like us (anxious, stressed, overthinkers, worriers, depressed) are just wired differently I think and have years of being flooded with cortisol and adrenaline and it really upsets the balance. Insomnia was one of my worst meno symptoms, and HRT did nothing for it anyway. Over the last couple of years it seems to have sorted itself out. I think it's the melatonin. 

[Peroxideblader]

Lil thank you it is good to know as sadly I'm estranged from my mother and family and lost closest friends after I had my breakdown they don't believe in mental illness think it just meant I was weak so although I'm used to keeping problems inside it builds up and those last few days I felt pathetic but had to break and post for help as I was sure it was hrt bringing on the bleakness. I'm just hoping a different hrt will help.
Sweetpea I've ordered 3mg liquid off biovea funnily enough as I threw my other away. I'll give it another go I gave it about 10 days then quit when there was no change. But I agree that since I had my breakdown and lost capacity to fall asleep my health has hit rock bottom so I'm a walking cortisol ball of stress and anxiety anyway but until this week my AD kept the major attacks at bay.
I'm due a call tomorrow by gp to switch hrt and I'll try melatonin.  I was told to take it an hour before I sleep but that would be 3am so I used to take it at 1030 as I first try for bed at 1230 but I've now read on circadian rhythm site to take it at least 5 hours before so I'll try that too.

[Peroxideblader]

Sweetpea I sympathise with the rhino noises from your husband we solved that problem though when we both decided separate rooms was the only way. His snoring shakes the house and all night long and me sweating and fidgeting and getting up a lot meant he slept better too. We are like the royals lol...start off in bed have a chat and cuddle then to our own chambers...still have to wear my ear plugs but it's much better 😊

[babyjane]

People like us (anxious, stressed, overthinkers, worriers, depressed) are just wired differently I think and have years of being flooded with cortisol and adrenaline and it really upsets the balance.

SweetPea thank you for this.  This comment of yours is what my very kind GP was trying to explain to me recently when I got myself into a pickle thinking I had been on my AD long enough and tried coming off it, ending up in her consulting room in a mess.  Your comment reinforces that it is a defficiency and not a weakness. 

they don't believe in mental illness think it just meant I was weak

PB thank you to you too as this is a concept I am struggling with and trying to overcome.  I am getting better at being kind to myself but I was always a 'coper' and it doesn't sit well with me that now I am not. 

[Butterfly22]

I don't tell people when I feel low just my partner, I normally hide and avoid phone calls ect, it takes me a while to get HRT sorted and it did with AD's I was on citalapram for 15 years but no longer worked  so had to try a few which was horrible. Ive now been settled on venlafaxine for a year and feel ok, so knew it was femeston straight away, I really did feel so low.
Well you no you have lovely ladies here to help so don't wait till you feel so bad xxx

[Peroxideblader]

I'm sat here crying you ladies are so so lovely and kind and it's true depression is an illness not a weakness and sadly people still think it's the fault of the person. I like the quote ' depression is not a sign of weakness it's a sign of being too strong for too long ' and it's true. I don't tell people how I feel they all think I'm this happy bubbly person because I wear a good mask and I do my sobbing and giving up in the early hours when I can't get to sleep so nobody sees me.
That's why to post on here was so unlike me saying I literally wanted to end things but now I know it's the femoston and I've stopped I can lift this awful bleakness again. I'm sending  huge hug and kiss to you ladies it's so hard but we have each other ..thank you again xx

[Yammy1]

Peroxideblader, I'm crying reading your post. depression and anxiety are the pits but when they're together all sense and normality go out the window. I too tried hrt a few times but I have decided it's not for me. My anxiety went off the scale every time i tried it. I have recently been diagnosed with very low iron levels and the iron tablets doctor prescribed really didn't agree with me, my stomach and hiatus hernia were agony(only starting to ease now), but for me the dizziness is the worst. This in turn is making my anxiety and depression worse as I am afraid to do anything or go anywhere. It's so exhausting trying to get through each day and like you I have become very good at masking it. My two sisters, in their words 'sailed through meno' so that makes me feel great NOT . I really hope you feel better soon, but just remember hrt is not for everyone

[Peroxideblader]

Yammy so sorry to hear your story  it really is so misunderstood when d4pression kicks in unless you've been through it I mean the black hole depression not those who think depressed is having a bad day. I think what's made things worse for me is everything I've tried for inability to get to sleep has worked for seems like everyone but either the side effects are horrendous or just don't work and hrt was my last hope. I can juggle the other illnesses and I've learnt to live with them but this sleep deprivation has destroyed me I'm not the person I was and was hoping it was hormonal.
I'm posting soon to ask advice about the new hrt I'll start but I'm so scared it won't help either.  The only good thing is if this carries on I won't live long anyway as my body just can't carry on much longer it's running on empty.
I hope you keep well we're sadly a member of a club no one wants to join

[Peroxideblader]

Well I'm still very low today but hoping since I've stopped femoston I'll pick back up.
But the gp rang she was actually ok and although she'd never heard of oestrogel utrogestan she looked them up and prescribed them to start next period.
I asked for the utrogestan 100mg and said I'd been advised to take them day 15 to 26 but she  said her info says that's only 200mg you take that way and if it's 100mg I take it day 1 to 15 can anyone help with this. And do i start the oestrogel one pump on my under arm in the morning constantly or is it 2 3 or 4 pumps. And if it's day26 do i stop the utro expect a bleed then class day 27 as day one again?* I'm so confused I thought I'd be taking a pill so this is all new to me thanks

[Annie0710]

I can't help with the utrogestan but the oestrogel I started on one pump on my thigh (less risk of transfer) waited for it to dry then got dressed. After a couple of days I went up to 2 pumps and now seem settled on 2.5 pumps

Hopefully someone will be along re progesterone but do you have to start them same day ? If you've felt rough I wonder whether you can have a week or 2 of oestrogel only then add in the urtrogestan but like I say I have no experience of that side (hysterectomy years ago)

[babyjane]

PB can I make a suggestion?  As this is a thread about anxiety and panic attacks do you think it might be a good idea to start another thread to ask your questions specifically about the oestrogel and utrogestan?  I am concerned that some of the many ladies who have experience of this treatment and may be able to help might miss your questions as the thread title might not draw their attention.

Wishing you all the best.

[Butterfly22]

I'm nearly crying reading your post!! Haha you can tell we're hormonal
I'm taking ustrogen 1-14 each month that's 100mg but not sure if doctor has given right dose.
I'm not 100% sure but I thought gel had to be on your thighs or arm but not near your boobs.
Also a lot of ladies use the ustrogen vaginally as less side effects.
Give yourself a few days to get over femeston but don't forget hormones play a part in it all but as long as you don't feel so low xxx

[Peroxideblader]

Baby Jane thanks I will post separately you're right it'll just confuse things. 
Lil thank you I'm feeling as low but got hope for now..my doctor said 100mg day 1 to 15 too but I'd read on here it's day 15 to 26 at 200mg utrogestan but to start on 100 to minimise sude effects. Heaven knows but I'm not starting anything til my next period which is due in 2 weeks but is always a week or 2 late so I'll give myself a 3 week break and then hopefully I'll be in a better place in myself. How do you find the oestrogel utrogestan regime?