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Annie0710

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Re: Is this Peri Menopause? Can you help me look at this..
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2017, 06:29:01 AM »

I have no idea.  I don't know (apart from caffeine) what my triggers are for my heart misbehaving.  Have you googled ? I haven't ever looked into it and hospital just said my arrythmia isn't dangerous just annoying
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Wrensong

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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2017, 09:52:55 AM »

Hi Rosanna, like the other ladies, just wanting to reassure about the palpitations most probably being hormonal.  I had them for a few years in peri-menopause, day & night, in long episodes of an hour or two, before the rhythm reverted to normal then it would all start up again.  Particularly noticeable after eating, when resting & at night.  Had ECGs, treadmill test, holter monitor & echocardiogram & harmless ectopics were diagnosed.  As I am hypothyroid no-one was sure whether due to this or menopause (or a combination), but they eventually resolved postmeno after starting HRT & changing my thyroid meds.  A recent change in HRT has brought them back, further proof of the power of hormones!  I agree they can be scary at the time, but if you can, try to ignore them & get on with your day as best you can and take comfort from the knowledge you are not alone.
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Annie0710

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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2017, 10:08:19 AM »

The cardiologist did actually explain the surges after eating, but I've since heard another feasible explanation too

He said that i.e. For me, sitting in a restaurant eating ,my tummy swells which presses and squeezes the artery which then lowers blood flow to heart and brain = dizziness and faint feeling (at home I lay down straight after eating = problem solved)

I've since heard that blood flow goes straight to tummy to aid digestion when eating which restricts blood flow to upper region
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Wrensong

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« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2017, 01:02:04 PM »

Hi Annie0710, just did a web search on palpitations & vagus nerve (in relation to onset after eating) and thought this link was rather interesting.  It's quite long, but the style is easy going & explains a lot about palps & not just in relation to eating.  I'm a bit vague on what links it's OK to post, so I hope this is not against regs!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anxiety/comments/2swpld/to_those_who_suffer_from_palpitations_read_this/

Rosanna, the link might also explain a bit more for you and help to reassure you.
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Wrensong

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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2017, 01:23:53 PM »

Sparkle, mastering the breathing can be so helpful in so many situations can't it?
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Wrensong

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« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2017, 07:48:56 PM »

Sparkle, glad to hear mindfulness is so helpful to you - it's a skill that once learned, should help you for life.  I went mad buying every mindfulness book, relaxation CD etc I could get hold of when peri started, as I was desperate to find a way to manage the symptoms.  I did find it helpful, but had to practice formal meditation every day to get consistent results.  When I developed tinnitus though, I found it too intrusive during sessions & have never since managed to get around this.  As for mindfulness in every day situations - being in the moment & fully focussed, I am pretty rubbish at that!  I had a theory that mindfulness might be more difficult for women than men, as we do the multitasking thing by nature.  Then discovered a male friend practises mindfulness & from what he says, is far better at it than me!

Did you find it came easily to you?
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Wrensong

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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2017, 10:07:44 AM »

You & me both, Sparkle  ;D
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Rosanna

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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2017, 09:06:32 PM »

thanks for all the responses, I have read them and thanks for the article, which was really interesting.....I think I burned myself out a few days ago with my panic and worry and everything...

BUT interested in your thoughts....something changed hormonally a few days ago and I noticed my mind changed too.  I was still worried about the heart symptoms but somehow my brain was letting go of them and getting involved in conversations and other things.  In other words I was finding myself being distracted from the worry, whereas before I couldn't think of anything else but the worry.

The heart skips also calmed down around the same time but I'm convinced that something physical happened inside rather than mental.  I felt my hormones changing.  I had that 'surging' feeling in the stomach and chest......well, now evidence, I started bleeding again today.....so there WAS a change and it was a change for the better.

The only thing is this is after only about a week or so since my 17 day period....  oh dear   ;D

Interested in your thoughts on it all.
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Rosanna

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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2017, 09:10:36 PM »

Oh also, my doctor has prescribed me Femoston.  She was a little reluctant, thinking I'm still only in the early stages but decided to do it.  I only wanted a progesterone cream but she said she believed women needed the combined tablets, both oestrogen and progesterone. 

I had a benign breast tumour 5 years ago so I'm not sure I want to take oestrogen.

Also my heart skips calm down when my period starts so would that mean that I've got higher progesterone then and it's progesterone I need to stop those symptoms? 

I just think progesterone might calm the heart and be all I need....
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Hurdity

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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2017, 07:53:26 AM »


  I'm a bit vague on what links it's OK to post, so I hope this is not against regs!

Wrensong.

It's fine to link to studies of any kind but not commercial links - so some "studies" or explanations are on websites which actually are trying to sell products - usually related to menopause and often American.  Academic studies and media articles etc are all fine. Any links to a product cannot be used with the web address etc. Also - grey area - but undue promotion of particular products (not approved medicines btw - this is OK!) is usually regarded with suspicion - there have been women on here who are from particular companies so try to use to site for advertising.

Rosanna - when your period starts progesterone and oestrogen are both low - and both have just declined quite quickly. I might have said on this thread or somewhere else that my gynae GP said that palpitations are common during menopause and can be caused by low oestrogen.

Hurdity x
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Wrensong

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« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2017, 10:22:53 AM »

Hi Rosanna, I really understand your reluctance re the Oestrogen in HRT, but I believe it's generally thought that progestins are potentially more harmful to the breast, though the studies that threw this association into the spotlight some years ago have since been largely discredited.  Although risks to breast health from taking combined HRT are thought to be slightly higher, they are still very small and less than that from drinking alcohol regularly.  Like you, I also had a benign lumpectomy some years ago and with a family history of breast cancer, I was very reluctant to start HRT, until after more than 10 years of very difficult symptoms showing no sign of declining, I decided I wanted to take control & do what I could to improve my quality of life. 

I had advice from a very knowledgeable Gynae & one of the UK's top Endocrinologists, and both felt HRT was the right decision for me, regardless of FH & my own previous breast surgery.  I didn't feel pressured by either doctor & also did a lot of research (including reading others' experiences on this forum, which was invaluable), before taking the plunge.  Whether or not to start HRT is a difficult decision for many women, and no-one can make the choice for you, but if you read around and learn enough to feel confident you have the risks & benefits in perspective, this should help you feel at peace with whatever you decide.  There is no need to start the Femoston immediately, assuming you haven't yet done so.  Take your time to decide & keep going as you have been in the last few days with your approach to managing the palpitations and these should feel less threatening with time.

Hi Hurdity, thank you for the clarification on posting links.
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Rosanna

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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2017, 09:51:36 PM »

Hurdity and Wrensong, thanks   :)

I feel as though I need to understand what hormones are more 'present' at what times of the month.

I've just had an awful week and then today.....feel normal again, and very little awareness of my heart......you know how a baby goes quiet once their bottle is given to them?  I feel like my heart has got it's bottle, lol...

So......my period was about 4 days ago, lasted two days....what could be going on now?  What hormone might be building?  Oestrogen?  Anyone know a good place where I can read about the different hormone fluctuations throughout the month?  I want to keep a check on it....to get an idea of what I might need or be lacking....or if, indeed, there is a hormonal link.

Wrensong, that was really helpful re HRT, thanks.  I'm more inclined to take it if I can work out that it's what my heart needs.  I will protect the heart before anything else.
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Rosanna

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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2017, 09:54:27 PM »

Having said the above about hormones, I did actually push myself through my anxiety yesterday and go on a long journey and did lots of activity (even though I've been in a panic about moving around much because of worries about my heart)......and today, very little awareness of my heart.....so could it be psychological?  It doesn't feel like it though, because my symptoms intrude upon me out of the blue when they happen, and it just feels like everything's calm at the moment.
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Rosanna

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« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2017, 10:34:19 PM »

The other thing is I'm a bit 'high' at the moment, nothing major, I'm used to it, I tend to do a lot of writing and blogging at this time....but it started today. 

I'm thinking it must be oestrogen building.  It's just confusing because sometimes this 'high' comes just hours before menstruation and I feel normal during menstruation too (though for the last two it's not been as clear cut as that)......could that just be oestrogen building earlier than usual, because I know I've had ovulation a lot earlier too for some time now, usually just a week later..

If it is oestrogen that makes me feel better and not, as I thought, progesterone....then perhaps I should take the HRT.  There are people out there saying you don't need more oestrogen though, that the body swings from levels that are too high, to levels that are too low...but to add more leads to oestrogen dominance.

I'll have to do my research but I'm not wanting this state to go away, I've felt so awful and I know this 'normal' state is temporary....maybe only a day or two...
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Wrensong

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« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2017, 10:27:10 AM »

Rosanna, the thing about perimenopause is that our wretched hormones don't follow the predictable monthly pattern they should in earlier, more fertile years, so it can be impossible to know what is going on at a given point!  That said, I'm sure Hurdity or another knowledgeable lady will be able to point you in the direction of a good technical guide, if there is not one elsewhere on this site (sorry, I'm a relative newcomer here). 

As regards your palpitations, a few years before peri started I found myself having cardio investigations for these which at that time, seemed to occur in the 2nd half of my cycle just before a period was due.  I tentatively asked the Cardiologist whether they could be due to gynae hormone activity, but he didn't think so.  A decade later, past the time when these had really ramped up & become quite a worry during the chaos of peri, a well-respected Gynae told me she had previously worked in Cardiology, where many middle-aged women had presented with palpitations, had the full range of investigations, only for no abnormality to be found & peri/menopause to be the most likely cause.  I wished I had known this at the time - it would have been so reassuring!  Mine did go away within a couple of months of starting HRT post-meno, but a 2nd thyroid hormone I need had also been introduced about the same time, so we were not entirely sure which solved the palps.  As mentioned  before, a recent change of HRT brought the palpitations back with a vengeance & reverting to the Evorel Conti I was on before this, seems to have settled things again.  So for me, gynae hormone fluctuations do seem to be at least part of the cause.  If you are having long bleeds, anaemia can also be a cause, though I think you said your FBC was fine.

Some ladies recommend charting symptoms (I believe CLKD & Elizabeth Rose have found this helpful), as this way you can begin to get to know signs from your own body that may help you identify patterns & anticipate what will happen next.  This kind of self-knowledge can be empowering, and may be enough to help you through without resorting to HRT, if this feels more comfortable to you (assuming symptoms don't become too disruptive or go on too long).  I'd also been charting symptoms before peri began, at the request of an Endocrinologist who was helping me with the thyroid condition, and found this does help to a certain extent. 

That said, I found peri a very difficult stage to live with, not knowing how long symptoms would go on, and with hindsight wish I had persevered following a failed 1-month trial of HRT in the early years, which my then GP incorrectly told me was long enough to know whether HRT was right for me.  Because of this, Mum's breast cancer & my thyroid & migraine issues, I wrote off HRT as out of the question & as a result wasted 10+ years until, 3 years post-meno with good medical advice & support & having learned much from the ladies here, I decided to give HRT another try.  I am so glad I did & would encourage any woman whose symptoms are severe to consider it, first learning as much as they can about benefits & risk.  In my case, HRT hasn't got rid of all meno symptoms, but I am better with it than without & many ladies do feel far better with the right HRT.  I am hopeful that there might be a better regime for me, but if not, I will probably continue with the Evorel, bearing in mind the thyroid condition may limit potential for the kind of greater improvement many ladies enjoy, and which you may too, should you feel you want to go down that route.  Sorry this is so long, but hope there's something helpful in it.
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