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[Janice68]

Cheers Dazned
These two ADs work in different ways I've been told.
I've been told to keep going over the weekend with it and see how I am doing if not happy speak to my doc on Tuesday.
I've been told if it comes to it I can try amitriptyline 25mg alongside my cipramil.

[Dana]

Cheers Dana, out of interest can the 25mg of amitriptyline be taken with cipramil 20mg.
Am waiting on a call from doc now having awful time with Mirtazapine no sleep and side effects too. At least I no why I did not want to go back on that one  now!
Cheers for the tips we do become tolerant to things!!
Thanks janx

I'm sorry. I don't know anything about cipramil.

[Taz2]

Cipramil is the other name for Citalopram

Taz x

[Janice68]

It' a shame my citalopram can't help with the insomnia part too.
I get on really well with this AD I have never suffered a side effect with this one either and no weight gain from it either Not like this Mirtazapine one!!

[CLKD]

There may be a psychological element too!  For years I had problems sleeping until the night I thought "It hasn't killed me yet" - went back to sleep and since then, rarely any problems.  Sounds simplistic but I was in a very busy responsible job running a small 'team', took my work 'home' with me which followed into bed!  Would drop off OK but would wake in the early hours …….. I have also been able to sleep in the afternoons when necessary, in fact if my brain decides to shut off - usually during a TV programme I have waited ages to see  - then off to sleep it goes. 

I have had a notepad by the bed in the past to jot down thoughts etc. because worrying about forgetting stuff kept me awake.  I have also been asleep but woken to see if I was asleep      For years I had radio 2 on softly beside the bed ……… at least it felt like company whilst Himself slept soundly   

In the last couple of weeks I've had sad/bad news so sleeping has been problematic ……. in the past I have used sea-sickness mediations or anti-histamines: 2-3 nights so that I get good sleep then a break, knowing that it helps when necessary means I don't need to rely on medication. 

The so-called 'experts' tell us not to sleep in the day nor to stay in bed to 'catch up' but what do they know?  We are from the Caves so would go to bed with the dusk and be up at dawn! now we have to comply with the alarm clock and everyone else's routines  ……….

[dulciana]

"There may be a psychological element too!  For years I had problems sleeping until the night I thought "It hasn't killed me yet" - went back to sleep and since then, rarely any problems."


Along slightly similar lines to yourself, CLKD, yesterday evening whenever a worry started to raise its ugly head - as it often does towards bed time - I told myself that "monsters often seem bigger at night" and made myself put that worry away.  So I didn't have an anxious evening, nor did I go to sleep feeling anxious, I've just had a pretty good night and I feel rested enough to be writing coherently on here at 6.36am, having made a nice cuppa!  I'll be trying that one again, that's for sure.   

(15 mins. later) - Was just relaxing downstairs with said cuppa and MM when I heard creaking upstairs.  Hmm.  Seems I had woken Hubby up.  He then came and said he was wondering where I was and I had to explain that I just wanted a bit of me-time.  After about ten minutes, I felt guilty enough to go back upstairs with my cuppa.  When I got there, I saw he was dozing off again, so I told him I'd come back upstairs to be with him, as he was missing me.  But he just grunted sleepily and asked me if I minded if he went back to sleep......so here I am again, back downstairs, on MM, finishing my cuppa and this time listening to some nice music!  Men - I ask you! 

[Janice68]

Thanks for replying clkd and Dulciana,,
I'm sorry to hear you have had sad/ bad news the last couple of weeks clkd!!
I have found your threads very interesting and insight too thank you

[CLKD]

   …….. 

I slept heavily last night (see Dreams thread).  It really is about acceptance and my brain gets active if there are upheavals in  my daily life.  I might think that I'm dealing OK in the day but at night my brain tries to sort itself  . 

Don't feel guilty Dulciana!  If he wants to wake up and find you, that's OK!  Where did he think you'd gone anyway …….  he obviously settled enough to go back to sleep.  Enjoy that cuppa.  If I'm away out of bed I mutter 'need a pee' and it's enough for Himself to absorb ;-).

I am worse in the mornings, that's when anxiety can really take over.  By 7.30 p.m.-ish I begin to relax, all my commitments for the day, done.

[jedigirl]

I find when i am on Oestrogen only phase of HRT i sleep so badly and much better when on Utrogestan. I'm hot and restless, more anxious and a bit sickly. At the end of the Oestrogen phase now and feel utterly exhausted. Can't wait to pop my Utrogestan tonight. xx

[CLKD]

HORMONES   

I could sleep on a linen line this afternoon 

[dulciana]

For the last four nights, I've been getting to sleep fine but then I've been waking up three or four times a night.  The first wake-up has always been with Hubby's first snore (think he's got a bit of a cold) and then the rest have just followed on through the night.  Also, we've been finishing off some left-over wine with our meals from the weekend and that's probably not helped.  So tonight I'm going to see if sleeping in the spare room makes a difference - and we're going back to fruit juice.  It's not that I want to get away from Hubby - and I can do without wine.  I've got quite a lot on at the moment and I'm a bit stressed by all that, so I'm craving a good night's sleep.   

[CLKD]

Let us know how it goes.  I woke earlier to find Himself trying quietly to recover the bedding from my side of the bed  .  So I went to the bathroom to let him sort out how much of it he needed  .

[Janice68]

Yes do Dulciana let us know how you go on pls !!

[Suzi Q]

I just cant sleep never have. I dont go to bed till 130am up at 730am if i sleep 5hrs yayyy
Last night horrible 4am still wide awake put the tv on for the 1st time fell asleep
Listening to worldvat war but inwas wide awake by 730am 3 hrs at most.
So i know how you feel  xxxxx

[Janice68]

I hate that when you're clock watching through the night every hour on the hour it's so frustrating. I managed to go off last night with the aid of the Mirtazapine then woke up umpteen times  throughout the night clock watching. At least I did better  than the night before I couldn't go off that night.
Jan x