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[Elizabethrose]

Haha nearly50, sorry I was just imagining your fibroids like little trees growing wildly like triffids! You're right it's easy to overthink this but these constant surges bring so many problems that I think it is easier to manage if we can understand what our bodies are doing. Control is wrested away from us so it helps if we can at least understand what is going on and maybe anticipate what we have to deal with next.

I'm sorry your bleeds are such a nightmare: I've never had heavy bleeding (only once actually in very early peri) but I can imagine how tricky it must be handling it.

[Machair]

ER that is so kind and helpful and so interesting to look back on.
 

[nearly50]

Haha nearly50, sorry I was just imagining your fibroids like little trees growing wildly like triffids! You're right it's easy to overthink this but these constant surges bring so many problems that I think it is easier to manage if we can understand what our bodies are doing. Control is wrested away from us so it helps if we can at least understand what is going on and maybe anticipate what we have to deal with next.

I'm sorry your bleeds are such a nightmare: I've never had heavy bleeding (only once actually in very early peri) but I can imagine how tricky it must be handling it.

Haha, I imagine them more like the John Hurt's scene in Alien. You must surely be near the end by now Elizabethrose!

[Elizabethrose]

Hah, you'd think so wouldn't you! x

[Elizabethrose]

 Feel better Sparkle!   : xx

[Machair]

Sending you a big hug Sparkle and hope you feel better soon.

[Machair]

ER have you any idea why high oestrogen sometimes continues through bleeds as your did in August of last year?
I think this may be happening to me as I still have a slight loss, but oestrogen is high I am sure as I noticed some stretchy mucus today.

[Elizabethrose]

Hi Machair

It's my understanding that when ovulation fails to occur, high levels of FSH then stimulate another follicle thus the oestrogen levels start to climb again. It appears that studies have concluded that the levels reached by some women in peri far exceed those from earlier fertile stages in our lives. The conclusion seems to be that the very high levels of FSH, unreined-in by diminishing levels of Inhibin, cause the stimulation of a greater number of follicles thus the very high levels of oestrogen achieved.

These very high levels of oestrogen cause my endometrium to thicken and at a level it becomes over stimulated, which results in an anovulatory bleed. It is not necessarily a plunge in oestrogen that causes this bleed. In the last 3 months of my 6 months of no period last year, my levels of oestrogen roller-coastered with no bleed: the anovulatory bleed at the end of June only happened after a massive high that lasted weeks before. My body seems very able at clearing a thickened endometrium, therefore on occasions these very high oestrogen levels can just continue on.

Now interestingly after reviewing the cycles I gave you I can see that when a ‘roll-over' (through an anovulatory bleed) of high oestrogen occurred in Nov 15 it resulted in a bleed in Dec 2015, then nothing for 6 months.  For the first 3 months my migraines were hellish then calmed dramatically. I had another ‘roll-over' in August 16 resulting in a bleed in Sept, followed by 3 very tricky migraine months and now all seems to be calming again.

This time though, there is no evidence of oestrogen at all whereas before there was at this stage. I think previously massive hikes of oestrogen carried me through the periods of time when it was on a low. I was well oiled, ‘oestrogened up', I'm not now. That is why I think the VA symptoms have very suddenly appeared.

Sorry this is all jumbled; I do hope it makes sense to you?

If you have mucus again, it could be that your levels of oestrogen have climbed quickly since your period as a result of high FSH. This has happened to me for years now. Sometimes my follicular phase was ridiculously short, I ovulated during my period.

[Machair]

ER you are amazing and your help is so appreciated. I think this all makes sense to me, and I am so glad you seem to be heading towards the finish line, and hopefully this will see an end to the migraines that have plagued you for so long.x

[nearly50]

Elizabethrose, thanks for that explanation, it is really interesting. I really hope you're at the end now, cross fingers for you.

[Elizabethrose]

Haha, you're welcome ladies but remember............it's not over till the fat lady sings!!

Hahaha, not so amazing - I've been outside trying to move one of husband's cars. Never been in the thing, couldn't find the ignition hole and haven't driven a manual car for nearly 30 years. I waited till it got dark!!! Oh my!! xx

[Machair]

How are we all doing ladies? Sparkle are you feeling ok and ER how are things? Lovely to have you on board nearly50.

Well Oestrogen high again for me - absolutely bloated and ready to burst. Have learnt now this is not PMT but high oestrogen as both feelings are similar.

 I wonder when all this will end! ER have you had this oestrogen roller coaster for all of your fifties or just in the latter couple of years? I am just wondering whether it is something particular to some women in the very final stages, as you now seem to have reached a different place to me with the dryness starting and the mucus stopping. As this seemed to happen quite suddenly for you maybe this will for me.

I feel like my hormones are like sun flares. Bursts of massive oestrogen activity, and then plunges in between of some sort of respite with light periods of bleeding amounting to nothing much, and then it all builds again overnight.

[Machair]

Hi Sparkle

 So sorry you haven't been too well Sparkle with your tummy. Hope it improves soon. I am ok otherwise thank you - just wondering when things will calm down finally.x

[Elizabethrose]

Hi Machair

I'm doing really well thank you, migs have calmed dramatically.

Our experience of peri seems very similar: whilst we may not fit the norm of Mrs Average, we seem to be following a similar pattern. The surges have certainly been very obvious and troublesome for the past three years before that more sporadic. Let me give you my cycles, ovulatory, anovulatory and roll-over (oestrogen remains high through a bleed and into the next, I'll link the roll-over cycles with an -)

2016.  194A, 51A, 19A
2015.  30A -17A, 26, 25, 17A, 68(3 surges), 11A, 46(2 surges), 67, 30A - 25A
2014.  44, 37, 20A - 35A - 18A - 23A - 8A, 34, 50, 15A 43, 24, 22

I hope this makes sense!

nearly50 posted a paper recently on another thread that I'd downloaded ages ago, a medic pal had sent it to me. I'll repost it below for you to read, you may have already seen it. I remember a dinner with some medic pals who were trying to work out what the heck was happening with me, this paper was being dissected during the discussion and they were linking in to the various studies that it was analysing. It makes for an interesting read, though everyone found it highly amusing that I didn't follow any of the suggested patterns! As my Gp says to me, I'm not a freak, I'm special! You're special too! We're all special!

Don't become despondent, you'll get there, we'll get there! Go with the flow, maybe this will be your last surge!

Sparkle, I really hope you feel better soon: maybe the fish fingers are responsible for you feeling fab today!? 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3232023/

Love to you all x

[Elizabethrose]

If only it were that easy..........orange food! Sleep tight! xx