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[Elizabethrose]

Oh nearly50, I think we may have tempted fate discussing this just a few days ago! Bad luck, but this is what happens when you join the Witches of Eastwick, at one stage all three of our cycles were in prefect sync. Spooky!! Keep your pecker up and just start counting again. Yes the oestrogen falling can trigger the flushes. Often in early peri the flushes only appear just as the oestrogen falls before a period and yes the chills can follow a flush too. Oh this is the gift that keeps on giving isn't it! xx

Machair, I was on the run earlier and didn't read your post properly. Bad luck re the period - exactly the same as Sparkle again!! Well I hope that it's made you feel better. Hope you continue to have a fab time with your son and his family. Try and forget the frigging hormones for your remaining time there! xx

Sparkle I'm really hoping you feel better: I hadn't realised that your 'nether regions' were playing up too. Oh poor you, hope you get it sorted!!! Blimey O'Reilly it's like doing the hurdles! xx

Ladies, 2017 is going to bring us all health and happiness, you can hold me to it!!

[nearly50]

Elizabethrose, thanks, I guess I have to accept that I'm not as far on the road as the rest of you lovely ladies. I just want the day to arrive when I no longer need to use a whole drawer to stock my super size tampons. 

sparkle, you're right, no point in trying to work it all out. I'm such a control freak that I want a list of what will happen when, and exactly when it will end and that isn't exactly realistic!

[Elizabethrose]

Oh nearly50, don't be despondent, it's impossible to tell that. You may beat us all! My mother's periods stopped suddenly and that was it! There'd been almost no warning - I remember it very clearly. My comment about early peri flushes was another of the 'what normally happens' symptoms. The question is who's normal?! Whilst my night sweats/adrenal surges started in my early 40s, I didn't get my first regular daytime flushes until I hadn't had a period for 3-4 months in Spring last year. Now I get them continuously when my oestrogen has bottomed out.

You'll get there girl! xx

[nearly50]

Ah, I didn't mean to feel sorry for myself, it isn't the end of the world. Just hoping I don't go back to the '10 day period, 10 day break' malarkey as that's no good.

I'm definitely not normal in most regards, haha.

Thanks for everyone's support, it really makes such a difference.

[Machair]

Happy New Year ladies- back from seeing my son and rather jet lagged! I miss him already.

As for peri- quite a saga. I am now thinking two day nothing bleed or watery brown may have been oestrogen fall, as here we are two weeks later and a slightly more obviously bleed now, with some little pinky red staining and more yellow brown. Chest was sore two days ago so could be related. Going to see what happens next. Bit disappointed as December was fairly quiet, and was hoping the end was in sight. Still though had very stretchy mucus  (5cms) just before first episode, so still making a lot of oestrogen in bursts. How are you doing Sparkle ER and nearly50?

[Machair]

I know Sparkle it is all a mystery. Do you think you have low oestrogen- has the mucus stopped?
I can't get over these periods being so light and only needing panty liners. Was any of your last one pink or red?
I think your headache/ migraine may mean you have had falling oestrogen so maybe the end is on sight. I hope so for you. Have you had any night sweats or daytime flushes? I am not having any of them but maybe they are round the corner as I know ER said this was what happened to her.

[Elizabethrose]

Hi Machair, lovely to hear from you, hope you had a wonderful time!

Well you're certainly taking after your granny, it sounds like you're still ovulating. Be warned! 

I've been looking back at my records and it's really quite obvious that through, 2013, 2014 and 2015 there were clear runs of ovulation followed by a few anovulatory cycles. It just seemed to happen in blocks sometimes interspersed with a blip. Throughout this time I was doing cycles of wildly varying lengths, 68 days, 11 days, 46 days, 12 days. I honestly think it all stops and starts. It's gone on for so many years but without wanting to tempt fate I really do think I'm getting there now. The vaginal dryness is causing problems which I'm trying to treat with the Vagifem: have a review with GP on Wed. Flushes are there night and day BUT are very variable now. They don't have the terrible frequency of April, May when they were every 10-15 mins night and day. (Thank goodness!). Some are much more intense than others. I'd say all manageable on the whole.

I know it's disappointing but all could stop this month, anything could happen as we all know. One things for sure, be warned! Watch your bits like a hawk!! xx

PS just read your latest comment and should add, I always had proper red bleeds throughout all of these years, including anovulatory cycles, so you girls are one up on me there!

[Machair]

Thank you ER for that wonderful insight. Do you mean your periods were only 12 days apart at times? That must have been quite hard work. I guess the bleeds were only 2 days or you would have had no break. I remember doing something similar and certainly long gaps were always followed by short ones, so 21 days would then have 45 after and so very similar to what you describe.

I am sure I am not ovulating now but am still waiting for the night sweats, hot flashes to start. I think it must be soon as I am 57 in March.

[Elizabethrose]

Yes they were, the shortest was 9 days which naffed me off enormously! Always bright red blood but only ever light or medium bleeds, lasting 1, 2 or 3 days max. The short cycles were an absolute killer for the migraines: they were always cripplingly severe and would rebound for anything up to 13 days. The migraines with some cycles would converge with the migraines from the next, almost a constant! Nightmare!

Given the really stretchy cervical mucus with the Christmas 'bleed' and then two weeks later another bleed, do you not think you could have just been ovulating at Christmas? Did the stretchy mucus continue after the bleed or stop with the bleed (at Christmas)? x

Sparkle, I really hope things calm for you but please please be reassured that this all seems to come in waves and it'll all calm again soon. It's a case of riding the storm. In a couple of months you'll probably be saying, 'oh I think it's all ending now, everything's calmed.......' rather like me!!  x

[Machair]

 ER according to my records the stretchy mucus stopped with the Christmas bleed and now hasn't returned so far with this one as far as I can tell. I think there may have been a little a few days ago but nothing like the Christmas one.

[Elizabethrose]

If that were me, that would confirm ovulation at Christmas. I'd get 2-3 day of very stretchy slippery egg white type mucus, a bloody show (brown - pink, it varied) then the mucus would disappear. Then about 13 days later a bleed of sorts, (light, med, it varied). If I hadn't ovulated the mucus would stop then restart 2 days later and continue until an oestrogen drop and or an anovulatory bleed.

It's like a guessing game isn't it?! x

[Machair]

Yes it is ER but I am now thinking I may have ovulated. Just can't get my head round being this age and still having all this happening. How old do you think you were when you last ovulated ER?

[nearly50]

This is all very interesting, I went through all my records and think I've ovulated all of last year until August, and don't think I have since.

I know I keep saying this, but I really hope I get the 2-3 days light/medium bleeds soon. I'm getting that with 4-5 days heavy bleeding beforehand.

It's all a mystery, isn't  it. I need to learn to live in the moment rather than overthinking. This morning I felt fine but started worrying about my fibroids and imagining them growing by the second. I'm really my own worst enemy.

Hope everyone has a good day.

[Machair]

nearly50 I hope you will soon have this too as the heavy bleeding is very tiring and hard to cope with. I used to have this so I know how you feel.x

[Elizabethrose]

Machair, I am under no illusion that I couldn't ovulate again tomorrow, I've had too many false runs with this. I was 56 when I last ovulated in Oct 15, let me give you my record since then as it may show a pattern for you.

18th Aug 2015 period - 46 day cycle * I had ovulated
24th Oct 2015 period - 67 day cycle * I had ovulated.
7th Nov had an abrupt oestrogen surge with heavy cerv muc and extremely painful breasts which lasted through an anovulatory bleed on 23rd Nov until an oestrogen crash on the 17th Dec
18th Dec 2015 anovulatory bleed
29th June 2016 anovulatory bleed after 24 days of an oestrogen high
19th Aug 2016 anovulatory bleed after 22 days of an oestrogen high BUT high continued through this bleed until another anovulatory bleed on
7th September

I don't know whether you remember but in the six month without a period last year I was continuously roller coastering between highs with cerv muc and sore breasts or lows with hot flushes and absolutely no mucus.