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[Machair]

So sorry elainediva that is so trying. It is probably good though as will be clearing the lining. Maybe this is your last period. I wish mine would start properly- still have the PMT - off the scale, and now the headache to go with it! Oh yes and high oestrogen signs started again today but was boiling during the night! All very confusing!

[Elizabethrose]

Well Machair, I think we're all just about ready for the kn______s yard! 

Lots of flushes in the night so another mig today. I dozed off on the sofa last night and was woken by one and that's how my night continued.

When you started spotting had you had a sudden drop in your oestrogen or did it remain high? Did you have egg white type cerv muc mixed in with the spotting? As it's high again I wonder whether it had obviously dropped or whether it remained high and was an anovulatory bleed. I've had that happen. x

[Machair]

Poor you another migraine that must be hell. Thinking of you and sending all my love and best wishes.xx

ER here is the detail! Egg white cervical mucus from 23rd September to 9th October every day. Then it stopped and I had the pink show on the last day with the mucus. Then a few days of dark yellow/brown nothing discharge until today when back to egg white mucus again. Any thoughts? PMT started in earnest on 9th but has intensified since then. Now very hot at night with headache!

[Elizabethrose]

This sounds almost exactly like how I am when I have an anovulatory bleed whilst on an oestrogen high. Do you remember us discussing that the symptoms of 'off the Richter scale' oestrogen highs are almost identical to PMT. The difference is that there is egg white type cerv muc. I can put on over half a stone through bloating when on a high and have the feeling I'm going to explode!

I had a high continue through Oct to mid Dec, right through an anovulatory bleed in Nov, without it dropping: it then crashed mid Dec, followed by another anovulatory bleed then nothing for six months.

Thanks Sparkle x

[Machair]

Now I feel "normal" thank you ER we are the same. I think that the feelings of oestrogen highs are identical to PMT as you say -impossible to tell them apart!

[Elizabethrose]

Hang on in Machair, we'll get there! x

[Machair]

Yes we will get there eventually, but I would go mad without your support and that of Sparkle which has been absolutely amazing.

 Have you had this very high oestrogen feeling at all lately in the last few months? As you say it feels like you could explode! Maybe I will eventually and I will do something crazy like eat a box of chocolates or a whole cake with the carb cravings! Mind you I must confess I have had a few treats lately so will have to make sure I don't gain weight!

[Elizabethrose]

Last really big surge started first week in June with painful, swollen breasts, massive bloating, copious cerv muc. It continued for about three weeks and crashed when I had the anovulatory bleed just before my daughter's graduation ceremony, do you remember? I had so much bloating that when the oestrogen suddenly dropped, I couldn't stop peeing, it was a frigging nightmare!

The rises I've had since then haven't been so violent i.e. breasts not quite so painful, not so much bloating etc. BUT the lining continues to grow and my body continues to expel it. Let's see what happens this cycle, 38 days today.

We've all helped each other Machair, it's just nice to know that someone else is experiencing something similar. My GP said to me recently that she hadn't seen anyone for a long while still menstruating at my age. She knows me well and knows that I wouldn't be upset by this but I get that sort of response from everyone I talk to. It's good to be able to chat through the detail without being looked at like I should be pickled in a specimen jar! 

Keep your pecker up, we'll get there! x

[Machair]

When I asked the gynaecologist on WebMD on the meno forum there some months back she told me 58/59 was not unusual.I think I mentioned this before. I don't think it is as uncommon as we might think, and I guess in the US there are more ladies having yearly checks with their OBGYN, so the data is more available whereas in the UK many ladies never visit their GP at all.

[Elizabethrose]

Yep, I discussed this with my Docs: I suggested that women who didn't have problems wouldn't visit their GPs about it. It was suggested that as smears are done info is recorded. They said only 5% of women haven't gone through at 56 so I can only expect that figure to drop dramatically by 58 which is the earliest I could go through! And at this rate even later!!

Either way, I have been told many times that it's nothing to worry about, that it's beneficial to the heart, bones, skin, energy levels etc etc. Trouble is it's the roller-coastering that causes our problems and we do seem to be very reactive to those changes. That constant changing triggers my migraine, I need things to plateau but unfortunately that is actually not going to happen before I'm at least 60. That's outrageous! xx

[elainediva]

thanks Machair and Elizabethrose, i am hoping it is coming to the end too.bought in some more pads today just in case
still heavy but not as bad as yesterday
gained 2 pounds as well so a bad week.
hope you both get the answers you need to help you with your problems,must be awful
xx

[Machair]

How are we all doing ladies?

[Machair]

Not too bad Sparkle thank you. I had the worst PMT symptoms on the planet last weekend, which thanks to ER I realise was probably high oestrogen not actually PMT, as the feelings faded over two days with no bleed. Now sort of in between- some mucus but not as much and generally not too bad maybe slightly hot at night.

[Elizabethrose]

Hi ladies, sorry for late response. Away at the moment with rubbish signal!

Same old same old for me too: flushes continue as do night sweats BUT I've been having a small bowl of porridge before bed to see if I can better manage the adrenalin surges before the sweats at night. Done it every night but one and it seems to allow me to return to sleep. The night I didn't do it I was wide awake with every flush for about 2 hours!! Weird - I wonder whether it is a blood sugar thing that exacerbates the surges!? I shall continue and let you know. The  daytime flushes are nothing like how they were months ago so absolutely not a problem.

Sorry typing on phone, so tricky to respond at length.

Having a wonderful time. Did the A303 and breakfasted with an old pal in the Blackdown Hills on the way down and arrived to glorious sunshine. We've eaten every meal outside watching the crashing waves below, feel I've died and gone to heaven! Driving north to collect daughter from airport today as she's with us for a few days. All is good!!

Hope you're well. xxxxx

[Machair]

Sounds lovely ER so peaceful and calming.

Massive headache today woke up with it. Strange though as mucus has been quiet for a few days, but started again today, which should indicate oestrogen is climbing. Do your headaches ever coincide with that ER? I guess it is the change rather than the levels that is causing it.