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[Winterose]

flossie , try it and see but take note of all the points above , I tried it and initially thought it worked , suspect those who get on well with it would probably not notice much difference without it ,

[Rowan]

Agree, but I still like a tiny dab daily, for the  unseen advantages just like estrogen and its very good for the skin too.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16120154

[Sarah2]

Looking at the link- why would gynaecologists be prescribing what is essentially a beauty treatment for facial wrinkles?
I wonder who funded that piece of research?

[Winterose]

Silverlady

Is the prescribed progesterone stronger than the cream you can buy over the counter? I only tried the one you buy and read a book about it thinking it would solve all my issues but sadly was not the case so wondered if the prescribed was different ?

[Rowan]

Sarah2 I posted this in 2012

" What if progesterone had a role similar to estrogens in skin health and could be used topically to prevent or partly reverse menopausal skin deterioration? A study published in The British Journal of Dermatology in September 2005 seems to point in that direction. This 16-week study in 40 women, conducted by Dr. Holzer and colleagues, evaluated the effects of 2% progesterone cream on function and texture of the skin in women at or after menopause. The study design was robust: double-blind, placebo-controlled, and randomized. The results showed 23% increase in skin firmness, 29% reduction in wrinkle count near the eye and almost 10% reduction of the depth of laugh lines. No serious side-effects were observed"


If you google you will probably find it.

[Sarah2]

I think the criticism of what you can buy over the counter - or rather by mail - is that the product may not contain a precisely controlled amount of progesterone ( and if it is actually progesterone anyway - I think there is some dispute over this from a pharma aspect) and that even if Serenity contains progesterone in a form that the body can use, the cream may lack quality control, meaning that the active ingredient is not distributed uniformly throughout.

I wasn't making a point about research done by dermos- I was asking why- according to the intro in the link you posted- a gynae would be offering a face cream for wrinkles!

[Rowan]

Prescribed natural progesterone comes in many forms as is definitely stronger, suppositories, capsules, gel Crinone, I think its still available,

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/pregnancy/medicines/crinone.html.

Natural progesterone can be  used alone as in PMT or use to be, Dr Katherine Dalton pioneered it (she was British)

http://www.drpettle.com/menopause

Some women do better on natural progesterone, some on estrogen then of cause they have to take some form of progestin/progesterone to shed the lining of the womb.

There is a 20-1 cream that consists of estriol, estriol and progesterone for women who need estrogen as well and don't want to take prescribed HRT.

If your mindset is for a more natural alternative approach then this could help. If not it best to go for prescribed HRT, its all a matter of personal choice and what works for you.

[Rowan]

Sarah 2 I think you must make your own mind up, or maybe have a look at other forums that discuss this.

Perhaps you should do your own research into why, I just posted a PubMed report. There is masses of info on the effect on hormones applied topically for skin health. If that is what you are against.

I think you are determined to undermine whatever I  post, that your prerogative.

Have a look a this site  http://www.smartskincare.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=20

[Sarah2]

Why would anyone want to undermine what you post? Putting across another view or other information is not undermining you.  If this works for you- great, but that doesn't mean it works for everyone .

Crinone appears to be the same as Utrogestan - natural progesterone- which is available on prescription only. Its role in infertility has been known for a long time.

The 2nd link is not saying anything new- some people will keep on about how progesterone can help bone density but there is no evidence to prove this yet- see the info from the National Osteoporosis Society here

http://www.nos.org.uk/document.doc?id=1357

I don't know which 20:1 cream you are describing but personally I think it's very dangerous to use over the counter hormonal treatments containing both hormones without medical supervision- it's playing with fire. Presumably these are bought online?

My mindset is to have a 'natural' approach which is why I use bioidentical oestrogen and micronised progesterone- all made from plants.

I don't want to cause bad feeling but this is a topic about which there is debate- no need to take it personally just  because other people have different opinions.

[Rowan]

I think I will give up and let you have the last word

[Sarah2]

<whatever>!!!
Don't take things personally - you must know there are differing opinions on this topic.

[Cassie]

Yes Silverlady you are nitpicking, just saying... or as my gran would have said, splitting hairs...

[Rowan]

I said it in humour, it seems to me that that there has been a lot of splitting of hairs.

[Rowan]

I would like to point out that I did not start this thread, it was a first poster Flossie.

Perhaps she will post again. It seems strange that she has not done so as there has been two pages in reply to her questions.

I tried to answer them in a balanced fair way, knowing that there would be different opinions as there always is when I post about natural progesterone cream and that makes me wonder.

I use an estrogen patch and natural progesterone cream, I don't force this on anyone else just because it "works" for me. ( I have had a hysterectomy so I able to have a little more leeway) Its hard to know that whatever I post about NP it will be picked to pieces by certain people but I wanted to reply to Flossie's post. I hope she will post again.

The reply post were for mainly Flossie and Winterose, if you are interested Winterose about Serenity Twenty to One cream PM me for details.

[Flossie]

Hello All,
Thank you all for your replies, I am very appreciative. I am sorry my initial post has caused some friction.
I have read them all with great interest & will mull over all the advice & information.

I've had a very bad few days, hence my silence, but I thank everyone for their input. I will post a again when I have made a decision. I may go to my GP & have a chat too.