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Taz2

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Re: C.mas 2020
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2020, 05:32:02 PM »

One cannot bubble with lots of groups.  It's an excuse to not obey what has been suggested!

The bubble has always been: pick 5 people that you would like to meet on a regular basis and stick to it.  That 5 should be it - no mixing with others to form another bubble.  If 1 is in regular work or travelling on the underground, it stands to my reason that 1 doesn't form bubbles anyway!!

The bubble is something that can be made by a person living on their own with one other household. It doesn't matter whether they are travelling to work or not they just have to be living on their own. There is no mention of five other people. Are you thinking of the rule of 6? This is different to a bubble. You can meet with up to six people at a time but they can be a different six people every time. Also if you are living in an HMO house as a single person you are not allowed to make a bubble with another household.

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Re: C.mas 2020
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2020, 06:16:48 PM »

 :thankyou:  clear as mud then  ;D - thank goodness we don't have to mix  ::)
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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2020, 06:55:13 PM »

I'd soon confuse all of you! 🤪. 🤣
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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2020, 07:14:37 PM »

We are not risking it, we usually gather together with my father, my 2 children, their spouses and my grandson, but not this year. It will be the first time in 39 years I haven’t spent it with my kids.

I honestly feel the sacrifice we have all made is too important to risk one of the above becoming ill, or worse, for the sake of a meal albeit a special one.

I cannot understand why it’s being allowed. Lots of scientists and doctors unhappy with decision
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CLKD

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Re: C.mas 2020
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2020, 08:30:16 PM »

Because people were going to travel to meet up anyway.  We don't have the Police force to prevent it.  Hopefully the trains/buses won't run! but the roads will be chockaa. Hopefully no RTAs which will clog up already busy hospitals.

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Taz2

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Re: C.mas 2020
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2020, 10:11:33 PM »

I think the same mentality is being brought into play as you can see on a motorway in poor driving conditions. If the signs restricting speed, or notifying you of fog or heavy rain aren't lit up then certain drivers tend to just plough on regardless because they haven't been told not to. This is the same - if we had been told not to meet up then the majority of people would consider that this is something they should take into account and follow the guidelines but because we are told that for five days we can suddenly socialise again then they blindly think that this must mean the virus has gone on holiday and it is safe to do so. I've spoken to a number of friends over what they are going to do and a few of them are believing that they can meet up - as long as only three households - but forget about the other risks i.e. social distancing, no hugging, separate towels etc etc. I just don't understand it.

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« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2020, 10:26:40 PM »

This year our Christmas will be just the same as always.  Five people from two households.

My eldest son and his partner will probably stay over on Christmas night, as usual.

We are not a huggy family so no problem there.  As for everything else, no change.

Ordered my turkey today.
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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2020, 08:16:41 AM »

Poor turkey  ;D
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« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2020, 09:56:52 AM »

Nicola Sturgon made it clear here in Scotland yesterday that although the 'loosening of restrictions' has been made, you should only meet up if you really NEED to.  She went on to say that if a household can stay as one household at Christmas then that it what we should do. I got the impression that what she really wanted to say was 'Please dont meet up and ruin what we have achieved  while a vaccine is just round the corner'. Obviously she cant say that, and is relying on people using common sense.  We know how that's going then!  The Chief Medical Officer went on to explain that if we do meet up we must sit with windows open (how many elderly in the middle of winter can do that? or anyone for that matter) and that we must not touch anyone elses cutlery, plates, glasses, towels etc.  He used the example that the dish of roasties should not be placed on the table with one serving spoon, but must be plated up by one person in the kitchen.   Seems all a bit too stressful and I know I couldn't be trusted to remember all this after my morning's bucks fizz and a few proseccos!  Centre piece on the table this year would have to be a large holly bedecked bottle of sanitizer.  I want to stay home, it will be safer and easier but the problem I have is that my elderly parents refuse to listen to Nicola and continue to pop out for coffees and a browse around the shops, thinking everything is an over reaction, so they will see this meeting up bubble as a great idea! 
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« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2020, 10:02:11 AM »

Nicola Sturgon made it clear here in Scotland yesterday that although the 'loosening of restrictions' has been made, you should only meet up if you really NEED to.  She went on to say that if a household can stay as one household at Christmas then that it what we should do. I got the impression that what she really wanted to say was 'Please dont meet up and ruin what we have achieved  while a vaccine is just round the corner'. Obviously she cant say that, and is relying on people using common sense.  We know how that's going then!  The Chief Medical Officer went on to explain that if we do meet up we must sit with windows open (how many elderly in the middle of winter can do that? or anyone for that matter) and that we must not touch anyone elses cutlery, plates, glasses, towels etc.  He used the example that the dish of roasties should not be placed on the table with one serving spoon, but must be plated up by one person in the kitchen.   Seems all a bit too stressful and I know I couldn't be trusted to remember all this after my morning's bucks fizz and a few proseccos!  Centre piece on the table this year would have to be a large holly bedecked bottle of sanitizer.  I want to stay home, it will be safer and easier but the problem I have is that my elderly parents refuse to listen to Nicola and continue to pop out for coffees and a browse around the shops, thinking everything is an over reaction, so they will see this meeting up bubble as a great idea!

I'm afraid I'm with your parents on this one.

Sick of the emotional blackmail.  You can see your family, but don't kill granny.  Nice one. :o
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« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2020, 10:15:07 AM »

But if that actually happened, how would you feel?
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« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2020, 10:22:11 AM »

It is what it is, to a certain extent, survival of the fittest.  Most of those deaths have been in people with underlying medical conditions - which is what was pushed initially to stop the public going into panic mode.  The 10 year old last week who died had several medical conditions which had meant being under the care of hospitals almost continually, however, it's how he contacted the virus that is the worry.  Someone carried it in2 his home where he was shielding apparently.

The Virus is out there.  Being carried ......... I'm quite with those that go out but keep away from others.  It's remembering to continually sanitise the hands/handles/car steering wheels/boot lids/council bins!

Even with vaccination, it is possible to carry a virus without being aware.
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Sparrow

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« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2020, 10:23:28 AM »

My Granny's have been dead for decades.

If you have vulnerable family members personally I would let them decide.  Risk is up the individual, or it always used to be.

What would you do in a bad flu season??

My father in law was finished of by a head cold.  Life is dangerous.
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« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2020, 10:25:56 AM »

If I had vulnerable relatives I would keep them in their own homes.  We all have telephones, we can send cards/letters ........ it's for a few days for goodness sake!  I bet lots of people will be relieved not to continue with the travelling round relatives etc.  ;) but no one wanted 2 B the first to suggest a change of tradition  ;D
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« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2020, 11:45:34 AM »

The Chief Medical Officer went on to explain that if we do meet up we must sit with windows open (how many elderly in the middle of winter can do that? or anyone for that matter) and that we must not touch anyone elses cutlery, plates, glasses, towels etc.  He used the example that the dish of roasties should not be placed on the table with one serving spoon, but must be plated up by one person in the kitchen.   Seems all a bit too stressful and I know I couldn't be trusted to remember all this after my morning's bucks fizz and a few proseccos!  Centre piece on the table this year would have to be a large holly bedecked bottle of sanitizer.

In England these are the rules we have had to follow over the past few months if anyone visits us in our homes especially when they stay overnight. I've found it really stressful trying to keep my sons safe when they visit especially when two stayed over at the same time! Everyone kept forgetting which hand towel belonged to who for a start!  ;D

Taz x
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