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[dangermouse]

Ok so I was told today that people who have died have died of secondary pneumonia like a normal flu. Many are recovering, like the guy who had the hot toddy.

If you tracked any flu it would spread in this way so is this actually more dangerous than normal flu?

[CLKD]

Brighton Surgery remains closed
Brackley Clinic opened after a Deep Clean  - someone sneezed?

[ElkWarning]

To be fair, it is the virus that's of concern to those of us in Brighton.

As I said in my initial post, I'm concerned.  Student from UoS following PHE advice.  We'll see what the test results say.  A huge number of people who live in 'London by the sea' work in the capital and commute daily.  This could get very interesting very quickly.

[Sparrow]

Ok so I was told today that people who have died have died of secondary pneumonia like a normal flu. Many are recovering, like the guy who had the hot toddy.

If you tracked any flu it would spread in this way so is this actually more dangerous than normal flu?

From what I have heard it is much the same as ordinary flu.  The only difference is that because it's a new virus there is less herd immunity.

[CLKD]

OK update from the TV last night 

I can't remember her Name but I believe she's a Prof.  If I had energy I would look her up.  Update: Dr Natalie McDermott, Infectious Diseases, King's College, London

Her advice is that masks aren't useful.  This Virus is spread in the main by coughing so people using their hands as shields without then washing pass the germ by hand shaking or leaving it on surfaces.  She was quite calm about how we should avoid spreading - carrying hand wash to use when commenting, also wiping door handles/phones/mobiles etc. with a small amount may stop the spread.  NOT shaking hands is the main message that I got last night.

[CLKD]

That's quite likely.  Also the Tourist trades will be affected. 

Found the Channel 5 name of the Dr. see above ;-)

[Sparrow]

WHO have renamed the virus Corvid-19.

UK economy flat lined with zero growth, in the last quarter of 2019.  We do  not need extra problems.  We will just have to wait and see how it pans out.

[CLKD]

1 affected in Nepal and apparently:

Two prisoners are being tested for coronavirus in Oxfordshire.

The men, who are inmates at HMP Bullingdon, near Bicester, are being kept in isolation.

One wing where the affected prisoners are has restricted access, but the prison remains operational, the Guardian understands.

Public Health England is on site to help manage the situation.

Out for the weekend were they ? 

from Centers for disease control and prevention: Human coronaviruses can sometimes cause lower-respiratory tract illnesses, such as pneumonia or bronchitis. This is more common in people with cardiopulmonary disease, people with weakened immune systems, infants, and older adults.

Other human coronaviruses
Two other human coronaviruses, MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV have been known to frequently cause severe symptoms. MERS symptoms usually include fever, cough, and shortness of breath which often progress to pneumonia. About 3 or 4 out of every 10 patients reported with MERS have died. MERS cases continue to occur, primarily in the Arabian Peninsula. SARS symptoms often included fever, chills, and body aches which usually progressed to pneumonia. No human cases of SARS have been reported anywhere in the world since 2004.

[CLKD]

The Chinese F1 Grand Prix is expected to be postponed as a result of the coronavirus outbreak.

The race is scheduled to be held in Shanghai on 19 April and a decision is set to be made in the next few days.

Formula 1 managing director Ross Brawn has previously said it will look to reschedule the race if it cannot be held on its original date.

[CLKD]

To be seen to be doing? 

[sheila99]

I'm not convinced it isn't given that it's killed the doctor who first found it, as he was working presumably he was in good health. Not convinced about the story that you have to be close for 15 mins to get it either. We vaccinate our vulnerable people for flu, if we didn't many more of them would end up in hospital. And this is something for which there's no vaccination and no natural immunity.

[CLKD]

The Dr who raised this issue in November was beaten up ............ he was an ophthalmologist who could have been infected through contact with several carriers/sufferers and he was working in a close-to environment.   There were reports yesterday that 'they didn't know whether he had underlying conditions' ..........

I did think that we would find out about those in MKeynes this evening as results are supposedly out today  .  Public Health England still haven't issued guidelines to the public  . Handwashing simply won't cut it, 1 isn't able to wash hands each time we touch anything in a public space.  We were told too that these hand washes are making germs more powerful 

[Kathleen]

Hello ladies

I realise that China's reaction does seem suspicious but perhaps when you have a one party political system, lots of resources and plenty of manpower building a hospital in eight days becomes the obvious thing to do. Plus the population of China is huge meaning large numbers of people have to be accommodated  even if they are unwell for a short time and make a full recovery.
Time will tell of course but let's hope this virus goes the way of other recent flu strains and quickly fades away.

Take care ladies.

K.

[Sparrow]

I agree Kathleen. 

Also the doctor that died was the whistle blower and you just can't get away with doing that in a dictatorship like China.  I think his death is highly suspicious.

[Tc]

I M surprised that PHE hasnt issued  proper handwashing techniques ..  .  I was taught by a nurse.  Many people dont do it properly.  But as you say CLKD  one cant wash their hands every 2 minutes.  So I think people should be advised to be mindful of touching their own face, mucous,membranes of the nose, eyes and mouth.

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