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Jari

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Wrong!  Do read the Osteoporosis web-site Jari.  This affects women and men.  Can be fatal.


Wrong? Not sure which bit I'm wrong about CLKD?
Are you meaning the NHS prevention of osteoporosis website or a different one. The NHS say for the prevention of osteoporosis... exercise, diet and supplements.
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Jari

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Prevention
- Osteoporosis

Contents
Overview
Causes
Treatment
Living with
Prevention
Your genes are responsible for determining your height and the strength of your skeleton, but lifestyle factors such as diet and exercise influence how healthy your bones are.

Regular exercise

Regular exercise is essential. Adults aged 19 to 64 should do at least 2 hours and 30 minutes of moderate-intensity aerobic activity, such as cycling or fast walking, every week.

Weight-bearing exercise and resistance exercise are particularly important for improving bone density and helping to prevent osteoporosis.

As well as aerobic exercise, adults aged 19 to 64 should also do muscle-strengthening activities on 2 or more days a week by working all the major muscle groups, including the legs, hips, back, abdomen, chest, arms and shoulders.

If you've been diagnosed with osteoporosis, it's a good idea to talk to your GP or health specialist before starting a new exercise programme to make sure it's right for you.

Read more about the physical activity guidelines for adults and find out more about:

strength exercises
balance exercises
flexibility exercises
sitting exercises
Weight-bearing exercises

Weight-bearing exercises are exercises where your feet and legs support your weight.

High-impact weight-bearing exercises, such as running, skipping, dancing, aerobics, and even jumping up and down on the spot, are all useful ways to strengthen your muscles, ligaments and joints.

When exercising, wear footwear that provides your ankles and feet with adequate support, such as trainers or walking boots.

Read more about choosing sports shoes and trainers.

People over the age of 60 can also benefit from regular weight-bearing exercise. This can include brisk walking, keep-fit classes or a game of tennis. Swimming and cycling aren't weight-bearing exercises, however.

Read more about physical activity guidelines for older adults.

Resistance exercises

Resistance exercises use muscle strength, where the action of the tendons pulling on the bones boosts bone strength. Examples include press-ups, weightlifting or using weight equipment at a gym.

If you've recently joined a gym or haven't been for a while, your gym will probably offer you an induction. This involves being shown how to use the equipment and having exercise techniques recommended to you.

Always ask an instructor for help if you're not sure how to use a piece of gym equipment or how to do a particular exercise.

Read more about exercise and bone health.

Healthy eating and vitamin D supplements

Eating a healthy, balanced diet is recommended for everyone. It can help prevent many serious health conditions, including heart disease, diabetes and many forms of cancer, as well as osteoporosis.

Calcium is important for maintaining strong bones. Adults need 700mg a day, which you should be able to get from your daily diet. Calcium-rich foods include:

leafy green vegetables
dried fruit
tofu
yoghurt
Vitamin D is important for healthy bones and teeth because it helps your body absorb calcium. All adults should consume 10 micrograms of vitamin D a day. Good dietary sources are:

oily fish – such as salmon, sardines, herring and mackerel
red meat
liver
egg yolks
fortified foods such as most fat spreads and some breakfast cereals
dietary supplements.
However, it can be difficult to get enough vitamin D from foods alone. So, consider taking a daily supplement containing 10 micrograms of vitamin D.

Stop smoking and drink less

Other lifestyle factors that can help prevent osteoporosis include:

quitting smoking – smoking is associated with an increased risk of osteoporosis
limiting your alcohol intake – the NHS recommends not drinking more than 14 units of alcohol a week; it's also important to avoid binge drinking
Read more about looking after your bones on the Royal Osteoporosis Society website.

Get some sun!

From late March/April to the end of September, sunlight triggers the production of vitamin D, which helps your body absorb calcium.

This process helps strengthen teeth and bones, which in turn helps prevent conditions such as osteoporosis.
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Jari

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Jaycee... I am not on Facebook and don't know about your pregnant mules urine hrt. I think there is an hrt called Premarin still used? Not sure. This is from pregnant mules urine. Others are plant based, I believe?!

No, I'm not a menopause specialist, are you? I just give my opinions based on my experience and am not telling people what they should do. Hopefully grown women can make their own decisions based on their own research and what their gut feeling tells them is the right choice for them.
Many women on here give advice, telling people to take different hrt's etc, which I assume is based on their own experiences. Possibly because that is what has worked well for them.
I see no difference in my advice, based on my experience.
I hope that all is going well for you and your plan is working for you.
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jaycee

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The premarin is from pregnant HORSES,not mules, and the facebook debate is making my blood boil, as someone is saying all HRT is made from pregnant horses urine
And yes it does sound like you are saying people shouldn't take it, based on your experience
Women know how bad they feel and can make their own minds up, without anyone, saying what they should and shouldn't take,
Advice is given on here, but no one is told that they should or shouldn't take it
I have used HRT for a very long time, and probably for much longer than you did,so have lots of experience of it
I am also pretty sure that all the ADVICE you have given these ladies have looked into, at some time or another, so nothing new to them,
Are you some kind of dietition too?
Oh and by the way, a mule is a cross between a horse and a donkey and can't reproduce
« Last Edit: August 17, 2019, 10:05:02 PM by jaycee »
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The premarin is from pregnant horses,not mules, and the facebook debate is making my blood boil, as someone is saying all HRT is made from pregnant horses urine
And yes it does sound like you are saying people shouldn't take it, based on your experience
Women know how bad they feel and can make their own minds up, without anyone, saying what they should and shouldn't take,
Advice is given on here, but no one is told that they should or shouldn't take it
I have used HRT for a very long time, and probably for much longer than you did,so have lots of experience of it
I am also pretty sure that all the ADVICE you have given these ladies have looked into, at some time or another, so nothing new to them,
Are you some kind of dietition too?

jaycee, you are sounding very angry, but it doesn't help the debate.  I was once told on this very forum, that I couldn't have suffered during peri otherwise would have taken HRT. Not nice.

There is a lot of hurt feelings on both sides of the debate, unfortunately, and a lot of ladies who opt for alternatives end up leaving because they feel they are not welcome.

No one here is an expert. We can only advise on personal experience but debate is healthy surely.  If you read the first post on the 'HRT good or bad' thread, Dr. Currie invites us to do just that.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2019, 06:19:49 AM by Shadyglade »
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Jari

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Well said Shady, it does seem that a lot of women really don’t like hearing about how bad hrt can be for some of us, but I agree, I think it should be interesting to hear the facts from both.

Jaycee, as I say, I’m not on Facebook. I don’t know about this chatter that is obviously making you angry.
I just read about Premarin. You are quite right. It’s from pregnant mares urine. Fortunately there are other humaine choices.
I’m pleased to hear that hrt has worked so long and well for you. I think many other women also take it for a long time too.

You are correct, I did say that someone should stop hrt. That is because the question/topic was « should I give up hrt Â» I said yes and gave my reasons, given that she’s having a bad time on it. Others say she should not give it up. So, you see, advice from all angles. You just don’t like mine.

All the best..
« Last Edit: August 18, 2019, 06:09:17 AM by Jari »
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Tracey E

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Foxylady

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Thanks pepperminty, great to share!! x
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jillydoll

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  • Hiya

As far as I'm concerned, hrt worked for me, and works for a lot of ladies, however, if someone prefers to go down the more natural route, and it works for them then GREAT....
My SIL used wild yam, and swore it helped her enormously....
Good luck to the ladies who want to try anything, without trying, we don't know what's going to work for any of us who are suffering....what works for me, might NOT work for you, and vice versa, we can only comment on our own findings really...
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jaycee

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Shadyglade,i am sorry if i do sound angry, but i don't like Jari pushing her advice,as if it is the right thing to do,
Everyone has their own experience, and if Jari has had a bad one i am sorry, but lots of others have good experiences, and i do feel she is trying to get people to quit HRT
RE;the facebook debate,it has got pretty nasty by all sides really, with whoever stared saying women should do what their mothers had to do, in otherwords grin and bear it, and "menopause never killed anyone" while of course the other side are saying how some womwn feel suicidal, etc
I will shut up about this now, but please Jari, stop pushing your ideas on people,just because you had a bad experience,
Yes it might take time to get the right HRT for some, and they might decide it isn't worth it, but i am sure they can make their own minds up
« Last Edit: August 18, 2019, 09:34:31 AM by jaycee »
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Jari

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Absolutely jillydolly! :)
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Jari

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Margherita, i hope you can decide what to do with all the different advice... sorry that the hrt is making you feel so bad, but I hope you can find a solution soon. X
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Jari

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The written word is static.  But I haven't yet met anyone who can sort vaginal atrophy with a diet  ::)

I have a good diet these days.  I also had repeated urine infection-type symptoms but those urine samples that were sent to a Lab. didn't show any growth so my on-the-ball GP rang and told me to pick up a prescription for vaginal atrophy treatment.  Which has worked wonders, 4 me it was like razor blades up there  :o.  I also use KYJelly when the area becomes itchy.  'vaseline' for legs, feet, arms .......
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Jari

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CLKD, just a thought, but I’m doing a recommended diet, exercise, good supplements and I’ve never had VA. Yet?! 
So, maybe those who don’t have it are doing something right?! Just a consideration.

It sounds like you have struggled quite a bit with it and I’m wondering if you have checked your ph level? It’s just a thought, but maybe your diet is too acidic.. ?!  X
« Last Edit: August 18, 2019, 09:37:55 AM by Jari »
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