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[Joaniepat]

A serum estradiol level of 104 pmol/l is rather low. Perhaps you weren't absorbing very well from the gel. I never did and now use Estradot which has been much better. Sounds as though the hairloss might be down to low oestrogen?

It's not so much which product is best but how well you, personally, absorb from it. I only got to 89 pmol on 3 pumps of gel and I was aiming for about 250 to help avoid osteoporosis. I didn't do much better on Sandrena. On 125 mcg Estradot I got up to about 460, so did much better on the patches and was able to drop down to 100 mcg. Maybe give it a bit of time on the Estradot and get tested again.

My own hair didn't thin dramatically when my oestrogen was low, but I do shed less these days.

Hope this helps.

JP x

[Sammiejane]

Hi J P

Thanks for your reply

Do you only take estrogen ?

I had hysterectomy 5 yrs ago 2014 and ovaries removed and didn't take HRT until sept 2018 and up intill taking HRT I had no hairloss infact the opposite it grew quick and really thick and since starting the hrt I have lost 50 percent thickness and scalp hair really thin.

It's such a catch 22 and trying to find a balance because I can't tolerate high doses of hrt whether this is because it's unopposed and when I took the pill I never had hairloss but this was combined with progesterone x

I really don't know what to do I can't cope with VA symtoms and the gel has been great for this and sleep is better but I do t want to loose my hair anymore I'm only 40

Would you say your hair has improved on the estradot patch ?
Have you had weight gain on it ?

When I google side effects of the gel some sites list thinning scalp hair as side effect and then post marketing results as alopecia or hairloss as frequency unknown , where as the estradot patch
 list hairloss as rare so would you say this is less likely then the gel ?

Thank you

[Bobidy]

Hi, just a quick response re De Newson. She is my meno doc and is amazing. Yes it is all expensive (especially the Androfemme) but very worth it. I travel 2-3 hours to see her! Just to echo above, she will write a very detailed letter to you and your gp with a diagnosis and prescription. After this I went back to my gp, who finally conceded to perimenopause after 2 years of multiple frustrating appointments with loads of horrific symptoms. I now get my estrogel on Nhs prescription. I'm going to try and get my bloods done on Nhs too and take results with me next time. I'm definately prepared to stay with Louise for the foreseeable.

There are 12 meno specialists at her centre.

I recommend the podcasts and there is a fantastic video of her in the help bit where she discusses everything you need to know about peri/meno.

I'm a total fan girl!!!! I love that she is all for educating Nhs health professionals, medical students etc and changing the whole way women's health care is handled.

[Bobidy]

Forgot to say she has a book coming out in September too, available for preorder on Amazon. I'm not on commission I promise 

[Foxylady]

Thanks Bobidy, that's good to know. x

[Ziggy]

Thanks to everyone who replied to my earlier post about my GP insisting I come off HRT after 10 years. I have now printed off lots of info from the links I was given here and I'm going to show my GP. The first time I saw her she told me I was going to get a DVT or stroke, I was risking breast cancer and shouldn't even be on HRT as I get the very occasional migraine - all rubbish it seems. I can live with being on the lower dose I'm now on but I don't want to go any lower so now I feel better armed to deal with her.

[Sammiejane]

Hi joaniepat

Do you only take estradot patch ? Or do u take a progesterone aswell n if so which one ?

U mention your hairloss is less is that since being on the patch or did you shed less when on the gel too ?

Thank you

[Foxylady]

Bobidy, did you get Dr L Newson's book? I got it Friday, read it by Sat, think its great. x

[Sammiejane]

Does estrogel cause thinning scalp hair ?

Has any suffered this when taking estrogen only hrt

[heavenlyblue]

Hi, just a quick response re De Newson. She is my meno doc and is amazing. Yes it is all expensive (especially the Androfemme) but very worth it. I travel 2-3 hours to see her! Just to echo above, she will write a very detailed letter to you and your gp with a diagnosis and prescription. After this I went back to my gp, who finally conceded to perimenopause after 2 years of multiple frustrating appointments with loads of horrific symptoms. I now get my estrogel on Nhs prescription. I'm going to try and get my bloods done on Nhs too and take results with me next time. I'm definately prepared to stay with Louise for the foreseeable.

There are 12 meno specialists at her centre.

I recommend the podcasts and there is a fantastic video of her in the help bit where she discusses everything you need to know about peri/meno.

I'm a total fan girl!!!! I love that she is all for educating Nhs health professionals, medical students etc and changing the whole way women's health care is handled.

This place looks amazing.  How I wish there was something like that near me.   Unfortunately I live in Worthing, work full time and have no holiday left to take. 

I've been on 50mcg Evoril Conti the past 18 months and I feel awful, migraines getting worse, vertigo, hot flushes, no libido, hardly any improvement at all being on HRT, I thought going on HRT was supposed to help you get your life back.     I've seen every GP at my practice and not one of them suggests me trying something else. Just to come off it completely,  which I tried for the previous year but don't want to try that again.   I've found out way more info on this board than any GP visit.   I am going to ask for a referral but I'm not holding out much hope of them agreeing.

[JayJay]

Hi joaniepat

Do you only take estradot patch ? Or do u take a progesterone aswell n if so which one ?

U mention your hairloss is less is that since being on the patch or did you shed less when on the gel too ?

Thank you

Hi SJ
Browsing through some old posts - did you receive a reply to this one ?
Jay

[Sammiejane]

Hi Joanie pat
Jay jay

No didn't receive a response to this one

[Joaniepat]

Hi joaniepat

Do you only take estradot patch ? Or do u take a progesterone aswell n if so which one ?

U mention your hairloss is less is that since being on the patch or did you shed less when on the gel too ?

Thank you

Hi SJ
Browsing through some old posts - did you receive a reply to this one ?
Jay

I'm getting muddled now. I replied to SJ's posts on the Oestrogel Utrogestan Support thread about exactly the same issues, so at first couldn't understand why you guys thought I hadn't replied! Just for the record:
Estradot only, no progesterone.
No shedding on patch. I am actually absorbing well from the patch. Did not absorb well from Oestrogel.
Hope this answers the question.
JP x

[Sammiejane]

Hi joaniepat

Yes you did reply to me thank you.

When you changed from the gel to patch how long did it take before you noticed your hair stopped shedding.

I changed to estradot 4 days ago but spent 2 days on 50 mg but wasn't cutting it Va worse hair worse and flushes sleep worse I've upped to 75mg and feel better but hair shedding more it's only been 4 days so wondered how long it took plus VA still worse

[JayJay]

Hi joaniepat

Do you only take estradot patch ? Or do u take a progesterone aswell n if so which one ?

U mention your hairloss is less is that since being on the patch or did you shed less when on the gel too ?

Thank you

Hi SJ
Browsing through some old posts - did you receive a reply to this one ?
Jay

I'm getting muddled now. I replied to SJ's posts on the Oestrogel Utrogestan Support thread about exactly the same issues, so at first couldn't understand why you guys thought I hadn't replied! Just for the record:
Estradot only, no progesterone.
No shedding on patch. I am actually absorbing well from the patch. Did not absorb well from Oestrogel.
Hope this answers the question.
JP x

Hi joaniepat

Do you only take estradot patch ? Or do u take a progesterone aswell n if so which one ?

U mention your hairloss is less is that since being on the patch or did you shed less when on the gel too ?

Thank you

Hi SJ
Browsing through some old posts - did you receive a reply to this one ?
Jay

I'm getting muddled now. I replied to SJ's posts on the Oestrogel Utrogestan Support thread about exactly the same issues, so at first couldn't understand why you guys thought I hadn't replied! Just for the record:
Estradot only, no progesterone.
No shedding on patch. I am actually absorbing well from the patch. Did not absorb well from Oestrogel.
Hope this answers the question.
JP x

Hi
Glad I found your response!
It would appear the gel is not as easily absorbed as the patch, so maybe this is the key.
I personally often find the gel takes ages to dry, then sticks to my clothes when I get dressed.
Mullin' all the info now, so thank you.
Jay Jay