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mummabear8

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Hello and advice welcome
« on: September 17, 2025, 11:22:50 AM »

Hello 👋🏻

I’ve been lurking in the background for a little while, reading posts and gleaning valuable wisdom but decided it was time to come out from the shadows and ask for some advice.

I’ve just turned 47 and have suffered on and off since puberty with vulval itching with or without infection. I had irregular periods until I started having children (I have 4) and was diagnosed with PCOS in my early 20s. That little bit of history is to highlight the fact I probably had a hormonal imbalance for a long time.

After having the 2 younger children, I was diagnosed with lichen sclerosis and put on the regimen for that (steroids and emollients). I also experienced pain during sex for the 1st time which for me was internal burning. Looking back now I think it may have all been down to low hormone levels as I breastfed the younger 2 and was breastfeeding for around 5 years.

Once I stopped breastfeeding, things improved and I no longer felt the need to use the steroid ointments and everything was more or less manageable until about 2 years ago when I noticed that my vulval architecture was shrinking and part of my labia were disappearing. There was no pain or broken skin, just chronic low grade itching. I was referred back to the vulval clinic, put back on the steroid regimen, given new emollients and referred for patch testing. They also took swabs and discovered I had thrush so was given treatment for that which resolved the itching for a month or so.

Since then I’ve been told to do something different almost every follow up appointment. “Use clobestasol when it’s itchy” to “don’t use clobestasol, use trimovate when it’s itchy”. Then “use clobestasol every day for a month, every other day for a month then twice weekly long term” and after a month and a half, “don’t use any steroids in case you need a biopsy at your next appointment.”

The diagnosis of lichen sclerosis was from observation. I’ve never had a biopsy. Every person who has examined me in the last 2 years has said there is evidence of past active LS but no active disease now but the chronic itch persists. The patch testing revealed 5 contact allergens. Nickel, which had been suspected since I was in my late teens/early 20s, 2 fragrance ingredients (also a suspected fragrance allergen from a long time ago), a preservative (which happens to be in the trimovate I don’t react to) and some resin.

At my last appointment last month, the consultant changed the steroid cream from clobetasol to elocon. I had asked last year about oestrogen as my auntie, who is postmenopausal and has Lupus, was also diagnosed with lichen sclerosis and told me that the vaginal ring (estring) resolved her issues but the GP/consultant had said I was too young to be given it. When I asked whether my issues could be hormonal at this last vulval clinic appointment, the consultant suggested I try estriol 1mg/g cream… “every night for 4 weeks then twice a week for 3 months, longer if needed.”

I am now 3 weeks into this new treatment plan. The itch is still there most of the time though yesterday it was mostly absent. I’m not sure how much the oestrogen cream is helping with that but… it’s definitely helping with other GSM that I’d just thought I would have to put up with… urinary leaking and frequency. It’s still up and down but things have definitely improved. Also I think I might’ve had low grade bacterial vaginosis before starting it because it was smelling unpleasant down there, especially overnight, and now it smells fine again.

The vulval clinic has signed me off, which I think in hindsight is a bit premature. I’m now to be reviewed by my GP and ask for another referral if it continues to be an issue.

Any advice or direction you could offer would be much appreciated. I’ll be dropping down to twice weekly with the estriol cream next week and I’m worried that this won’t be enough. I also would like to apply the cream to the outside but am worried I’ll use it up too quickly and not be allowed anymore.
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CLKD

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Re: Hello and advice welcome
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2025, 12:33:05 PM »

 :welcomemm:  didn't want to read and run - some1 will be along with advice.
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mummabear8

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Re: Hello and advice welcome
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2025, 02:20:49 PM »

:thankyou:
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Minusminnie

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Re: Hello and advice welcome
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2025, 02:44:36 PM »

You can buy Ovesse from Boots in store or online it is the same as Estriol 1mg/g (0.1%) if that is what you have been given.
I’ve bought in store & when quizzed just said I was familiar with it. Not that I was currently using it on prescription. I do not collect my normal estriol 0.1% cream prescription from Boots but an independent pharmacy.

There is also Estriol 0.01%
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sheila99

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Re: Hello and advice welcome
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2025, 04:02:29 PM »

I can't help with the bugs but it might help to make sure your va/GSM is adequately treated. You say things have improved so I would continue on the same dose and see if the improvement continues. I'd use the estriol cream (the stronger one) on the outside at least once a day, maybe twice. Many women need much more than the twice a week the NHS want to prescribe. If you want to use pessaries instead of cream inside you can buy them OTC as Gina.
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mummabear8

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Re: Hello and advice welcome
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2025, 09:05:51 PM »

Thank you for the replies. I had thought of buying Ovesse but saw that it said you had to be over 50 and not had a period for a year… neither of which applies to me. I would like to have some to be able to apply it to the outside as well as internally without having to worry about the GP questioning how often I’m requesting it. Once I get a review appointment, I can discuss the frequency etc. Actually the consultant wasn’t clear about where I was supposed to apply the cream… whether internally or externally.

I might visit Boots tomorrow and speak to the pharmacist about Ovesse.

When I originally was given details 18 months ago about vaginal oestrogen by the practice nurse, she’d told me about oestrogen pessaries (and also this website). I know my aunty didn’t get on with any of the creams/tablets/pessaries which is why her gynae eventually suggested estring. That keeps the LS vulval itching/burning at bay though she said she has to use the steroid towards the end of the 3 months just before she’s due to have the ring replaced.

The cream seems to be suiting me as far as I can tell. I’d like to discuss the other options with my GP when I go for a review though
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Dierdre

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Re: Hello and advice welcome
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2025, 10:47:36 AM »

I went to a vulva specialist 8 years ago with VA, my skin was raw and split and internally I was a mess. I'd been on vagifem for over a year from my GP (this was the one who explained VA to me with "have you heard the saying dried up old woman") and was adamant I couldn't take more than 2 a week. I was told by the consultant I may have features of Lichens Schelerosis but not active, he didn't seem sure but prescibed Clobetasol and said I probably won't need vagifem anymore. He couldn't have been more wrong and I quickly deteriorated. I didn't have a biopsy which I believe is the only way to confirm Lichens. I've never had any symptoms of Lichens, no white or shiny patches or itching and I'm sure now I've never had it.  My next gynaecologist took one look and prescribed vagifem and Ovestin externally every night for the rest of my life. Mistaking chronic VA for Lichens schelerosis can delay proper treatment for VA and misuse of steriod creams.
I still find Clobetasol useful very occasionally if I have a VA flareup and feeling very sore as it soothes and heals quickly, but it's the extra vagifem that sorts out the flareup.
Has your Aunty had a biopsy to confirm Lichens Schelerosis? It seems strange she only suffers with itching when the estring is low on estrogen and needs renewing, itching is also a symptom of VA. Can't she go before the 3 months if it's not lasting that long?

You can use the Estriol cream inside and outside.
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mummabear8

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Re: Hello and advice welcome
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2025, 03:50:30 PM »

I don’t think my aunty had a biopsy either. She told me the reason she was referred to gynaecology was because of very painful smear test… so VA symptoms… and was then diagnosed with LS. Presumably it was as well as the VA.

I was diagnosed with LS on clinical exam around 10 years ago while I was breastfeeding our youngest child. I also had internal burning during sex and was given some numbing gel/lubricant which was pretty good. I did have the white shiny patches over my vulva and perineal area, the consultant drew a diagram of where. Since then I’ve always been treated as having it despite there no longer being any white patches. I’ve not personally seen any for years. The loss of labia was attributed to the LS when it was active but is no longer.

The consultant said there was nothing to biopsy, meaning no active disease, at my last appointment. She was querying the diagnosis of LS and feels it’s vulval dermatitis rather than LS. But she was also the one who suggested O try the oestrogen cream.

I would prefer not to have a biopsy if at all possible but then how can it be determined whether I have LS, VA or vulval dermatitis… or a combination of all 3?
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Dierdre

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Re: Hello and advice welcome
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2025, 04:20:08 PM »

If you've no more symptoms of LS I wouldn't worry and I've never opted to have a biopsy either. The vulva consultant told me that you can go for years without any activity of LS and it is sometimes activated by stress and or VA. If you can keep the VA under control using the cream on the outside area and inside maybe it won't ever return. I have loss of labia but that is also attributed to VA or GSM as it's now called. As long as we have access to enough estrogen, either creams, pessaries or preferably both and Clobetasol if and when needed, whatever it is we're treating will be managed and that's the most important thing in all of this. I think vulva dermatitis is treated the same as LS with steroid creams anyway.
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mummabear8

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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2025, 04:46:15 PM »

Thanks Deirdre. It can all be very confusing but really helpful to have others to speak to who’ve experienced similar  :)

Yeah they use steroids for vulval dermatitis as well.
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