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Cassie

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Cycling in older age
« on: April 27, 2025, 07:26:46 AM »

Hi Ladies, I have been consulting with a GP who specialises in functional as well as anti ageing and also works closely with a compounding pharmacy for BHRT. He was quite shocked to hear that I am still on a cyclical regime whereby I get a monthly bleed after stopping the Utrogestan. He said its not advised in older women, over 60 to still be getting bleeds, and advised a conti regime instead. As it is, I am a bit fed up now with all this every 6 weeks and still having bleeds so I have been considering going onto a bleed free HRT. What is the general consensus when it comes to having bleeds in older ladies, is it really that unsafe? Just doing some homework persay before I go over to the conti  HRT.
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Hurdity

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Re: Cycling in older age
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2025, 08:19:15 AM »

Hi Cassie

When I read the title of your thread I thought you were talking about cycling as in,  ;D on a bike !

Yes most docs will recommended a conti regime for post-menopausal women - because there is a slight increased risk of endometrial cancer with cyclical regimes - because one is causing the endometrium to thicken, even though it is designed to be shed. However endometrial cancer is the worst scenario in a sequence of events that starts with over-thickning of the enodmetrium caused by imbalance of oestrogen and progesterone. This can sometimes lead to endometrial hyperplasia, which itself can sometimes lead to cancer.

Here is what the BMS says about it:

"Long-term use of sequential combined HRT for >5 years may be associated with a small increase
in risk of endometrial hyperplasia and endometrial cancer, with the risk being dose and duration
dependent in relation to progestogen intake"

Usually there is abnormal bleeding well before the worst case scenario occurs - though that's not to say that cancer only occurs after abnormal bleeding.

However BMS also say this:

"The risk of endometrial cancer in women with unscheduled bleeding on HRT is significantly lower than
that with postmenopausal bleeding in women not on HRT especially in women who had not been
experiencing bleeding before commencing HRT
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However, generally speaking, whatever regime you are using - if you are taking progesterone for the recommended amount of time at the recommended dose, and your oestrogen dose is also generaly low to medium then it is unlikely that your womb lining will over thicken. The key thing is to be vigilant and report any abnormal bleeding (at the wrong time, or lack of it, or very heavy bleeding to your doc).

Ideally we would have routine scans every year or so on NHS but this never happens though perhaps it might be possible to persuade your doc to refer you for a scan? If not if you are able to afford one privately, which is not ideal and beyond the reach of many women due to cost, then perhaps opt to have one annually?

Like you I am sick of having bleeds and I'm in my 70s''s - blow that for a lark as they say!! However for me the alternative - taking progesterone every day - is a big no-no due to the progestogenic side effects.

So to answer your question - it is not unsafe per se but there are increased risks associated with continued cyclical use beyond 5 years.

Hurdity x
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Mary G

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Re: Cycling in older age
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2025, 11:53:50 AM »

Cassie, if this doctor works closely with a compounding pharmacy that is very good news because their progesterone products are excellent.  I used the bespoke progesterone lozenges very safely and very successfully for a couple of years and only stopped because the UK based pharmacy could no longer post products to EU states post Brexit.

Bleeds make me ill and also trigger migraines so I have to avoid them at all costs and I've been managing to do so successfully for well over a year now.  I have regular TVS scans and to be honest my last womb lining reading was too low at 1 mm but I have now gone back up to 2 pumps of Oestrogel and if I remember rightly you are going to increase your oestrogen dose too.

I would try the compounding progesterone @ 50mg every day or if you feel that is too expensive, perhaps you could try Cerazette which is synthetic but very well tolerated.  I think it was either joziel or Bomb who recommended it and my migraine specialist is very much in favour of it and wanted me to try it.

As someone said on here recently, nobody should have to put up with bleeding.
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bombsh3ll

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Re: Cycling in older age
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2025, 03:14:26 PM »

It should be an individualised decision and not a blanket one size fits all policy.

Yes there is marginally better endometrial safety on a continuous regime, and of course being bleed free is a major win for many.

However there are older women who for various reasons do better on cyclical.

There is also evidence that the breast safety of cyclical is more favourable, offsetting the endometrial risk, and emerging evidence that cyclical is potentially more beneficial for cardiometabolic and brain health.

Personal choice and individual clinical situation should therefore guide this decision rather than the number of candles on your birthday cake.
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CLKD

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Re: Cycling in older age
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2025, 03:30:03 PM »

I read that as 'cycling 🚴 🚴‍♂️ 🚵  ::).

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