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[Garnet161]

Hi all,
Has anyone encountered issues with Ovestin/Vagifem not absorbing internally due to the accompanying moisturiser being used?  I am using Olive and Bee which is an oil based natural moisturiser a couple of hours before I use Ovestin.  It is very comfortable, but I am noticing now some soreness which is similar to what I had way back at the start of the Ovestin use (4 months back).  Then I noticed that the Ovestin cream is dropping out in the loo in the mornings - 10 hours after insertion.  I am wondering if the oil based moisturiser is inhibiting the Ovestin from absorbing properly.

[CLKD]

 Have U tried using ovestin/estriol alone, I insert mine in bed last thing at night and rarely have any discharge either on the sheets or in the loo.  It may be that your vaginal walls are lubricated too much so that there is less absorption.

One shouldn't require anything else internally in order to allow appropriate VA treatment to work.  If my labia are dry I smear some KY Jelly or 'ovestin' around; others do use moisturisers as well as internal treatments. 

[Garnet161]

Thanks - yes that is my way of thinking too.  I use the moisturiser because I use a dilator at night to help keep things pliable.  I was using a water based lube but it ran out.
Might be time to just use the Ovestin for awhile.

 

[CLKD]

Morning.  Let us know how you get on? 

[bombsh3ll]

It does make sense that applying what is essentially a barrier cream could cause the estriol to just slide off.

In my opinion, if you didn't need to apply products to your vagina when you were 25, you shouldn't accept having to do so now if you are on effective treatment, so I would start by reviewing that.

[Ayesha]

In my opinion, if you didn't need to apply products to your vagina when you were 25, you shouldn't accept having to do so now if you are on effective treatment, so I would start by reviewing that.

If life was that simple, its not and women shouldn't have to review why the need for a moisturiser. The treatments are of a very dry consistency and a moisturiser certainly helps, I wouldn't be without mine its an important part of my daily regime.

Garnet161 I only use a moisturiser on the outside and I would say that an oil based moisturiser used internally would inhibit the absorption of oestrogen, might be worth tweaking your regime a bit. 

[fiftyplus]

Garnet161 I put a little yes wb moisturiser on my bits externally first and then I fill the cream up to the red line and before inserting I add a little yes wb moisturiser again around the sides/along the applicator for lubrication and easy insertion and therefore some goes up internally and I find this works for me

[Dierdre]

Garnet161 I only use a moisturiser on the outside and I would say that an oil based moisturiser used internally would inhibit the absorption of oestrogen, might be worth tweaking your regime a bit.

Can I ask what moisturiser you use Ayesha? I've tried loads over the years but never found one that doesn't irritate after a while. I sometimes use YES WB 5ml applicators but these are expensive, £9.60 for 6 and the tube which is cheaper and supposed to be the same irritates. I use Estriol externally at night but would benefit a moisturiser during the day. Still on Vagifem daily too.

[Ayesha]

I use YesVM but I am not as sensitive down there as I know you are, Dierdre, and I can tolerate the moisturisers well.
They seem now to be getting more expensive and I shop around on Amazon searching for a good deal but I might think about looking at other moisturisers soon.
Its interesting that since Sylk came back on the market its no longer available on Amazon, I wonder why, that's also a good moisturiser but going for natural ingredients means going expensive.

[CLKD]

Beware the word 'natural' - they are likely to be synthesised ...........

[SundayGirl]

Garnet161 - could you not use the Ovestin/Estriol alongside the dilator instead of a moisturiser? Ovestin contains moisturising ingredients so should help on that score.
You can then apply your moisturiser afterwards if you feel the need.
 

[SundayGirl]

In my opinion, if you didn't need to apply products to your vagina when you were 25, you shouldn't accept having to do so now if you are on effective treatment, so I would start by reviewing that.

Do you not use any moisturiser at all then? Anywhere on your body?
What do you do on a windy day when you go outside and your face gets dry and your lips get chapped?

Genuinely curious.

[chopsuey]

Garnet161 - I use estriol 0.01% cream now instead of Ovestin/estriol 0.1%, which burned me. You get the same amount of oestriol per dose but in a bigger quantity of cream. The cream base is arachis (peanut) oil and glycerin, which are very moisturising in themselves and wonder if you'd find that more comfortable to use. I certainly feel more moisturised down there now and no burning.

[Dierdre]

I use YesVM but I am not as sensitive down there as I know you are, Dierdre, and I can tolerate the moisturisers well.
They seem now to be getting more expensive and I shop around on Amazon searching for a good deal but I might think about looking at other moisturisers soon.
Its interesting that since Sylk came back on the market its no longer available on Amazon, I wonder why, that's also a good moisturiser but going for natural ingredients means going expensive.

I've tried the YES VM but no luck, think I'll try the WB again but in the tube as you get more than the 5ml applicators, I buy from Amazon too as it's cheaper. I think there's more preservative in the tube as it's used repeatedly when opened but the 5ml applicators are only used once.

[Ayesha]

I've never used Yes with applicators but it makes it all very expensive from what I've seen.
Costly being a woman of a certain age