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Mary G

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Re: Osteoporosis
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2024, 11:18:22 AM »

Cassie, I thought they used pg/mL in the US which would be about 220 pmol.  That still sounds slightly low because it should be above 250.

This is from the late Professor Studd who really knew his stuff:

https://www.studd.co.uk/osteo_oestro.php


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joziel

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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2024, 03:20:31 PM »

US uses different measurement units.

Really for optimal osteoporosis prevention or treatment you want over 450pmol or over 100 in US units.
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HellsBells

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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2024, 03:30:55 PM »

One thing I would add is that bone density and bone quality are two different things. You can further help yourself by ensuring you get enough boron, magnesium, vit K, iron, vit D and calcium. There is a lot of research to suggest that collagen and turmeric help with bone density. The irony is that many fractures occour among the population with 'normal' bone density.

I would not touch bisphosphonates as the mechanism 'holds onto' the poor quality bone which would normally be jettisoned. It increases the density but by keeping poor quality bone. You need something anabolic which encourages new bone. If you take the drugs at all. There are many things you can do including the HRT to improve your numbers. You can have high quality less dense bones which won't break.

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CLKD

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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2024, 04:30:57 PM »

WOW we are a Mine of Info on here  :thankyou:
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Cassie

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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2024, 04:46:41 PM »

Thank you girls, really appreciate this so much.
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Stockport1965

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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2024, 08:30:23 PM »

Sorry to read this.  Is there any particular reason for low bone density?   Was it a pelvis/hips X-ray?

Brisk walking will help as bone impaction encourages new formation.  As does chewing our food, keeping the jaw bone healthy.

Bisphosphonates - why not?

I'm also against them. The stop your osteoclasts working. These chew the old bone. Bisphosphonates put new bone down on old weak bones. Think building an extension on bad footings.
I don't think that's true about the jaw bone for OP.
While walking is good, resistance training is more important
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Cassie

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Re: Osteoporosis
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2024, 07:56:59 AM »

Any example of easy training apart from walking I can do at home? Would that be doing up steps down steps that sort or thing or walking with a weight  :-\
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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2024, 09:56:34 AM »

I think you are all very brave in deciding not to take prescribed medication for your osteoporosis.

I don't want to be a Debbie Downer but honestly, having watched my mum and her sister's deterioration over the decades with this condition I seriously wouldn't take any chances. It isn't just about having a bit of a humped back, it affects so much more, especially if you experience spontaneous crush fractures of the spine as my mum did.

Anyway enough said. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
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Cassie

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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2024, 10:57:37 AM »

JillyBoo BHRT is really beneficial and I plan to up that with the assistance of my Dr and hopefully with exercise & diet keep things from progressing, it can be done.
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HellsBells

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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2024, 01:43:14 PM »

There are some excellent books out there - Osteoporosis Reversal Secrets - Igor Klibanov; The Osteoporosis Breakthrough - Doug Lucas and many more. Don't just follow one, do your research and put together a plan to help yourself. If you do take the drugs make sure you get the anabolic ones. The only reason bisphosphonates are so widely prescribed is that they are much cheaper. My endo told me that. And there was a class action resulting in the main one carrying serious warnings.

Re exercise - there is no substitute for high impact - walking may maintain bone but it will not increase density. Running jumping stamping etc. That is really what you need. And weights.

HRT used to be the go to treatment for bone loss - much safer.

What were your numbers? None of us get a baseline number and if we are small/light we have lower bone density. The standard we are measured against is a much bigger 'average' woman and the DXA scans convert 2D images into 3D so bigger bones higher density!

The research is all out there to support this. As a trained medical lawyer I am very familiar with the lawsuits relating to pharma.
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Cassie

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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2024, 02:43:28 PM »

Jillyboo could I post my numbers as I really dont understand them but it will be a while before I see the Dr so would be happy if someone knows how to interpret them.
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Stockport1965

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« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2024, 04:24:56 PM »

I think you are all very brave in deciding not to take prescribed medication for your osteoporosis.

I don't want to be a Debbie Downer but honestly, having watched my mum and her sister's deterioration over the decades with this condition I seriously wouldn't take any chances. It isn't just about having a bit of a humped back, it affects so much more, especially if you experience spontaneous crush fractures of the spine as my mum did.

Anyway enough said. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

HRT used to be the gold standard. Bisphosphonates are awful things. They stop osteoclasts chewing old bone and put new on top of old. Think a really bad extension being built on bad footings. Plus, you cannot take for any longer than 5 years as they will then cause fractures. With a low frax score they really don't do much good.
https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ta464/resources/bisphosphonates-for-treating-osteoporosis-patient-decision-aid-pdf-6896787085#:~:text=Treatment%20with%20a%20bisphosphonate%20reduces,fracturing%20your%20wrist%20or%20arm.
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Stockport1965

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Re: Osteoporosis
« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2024, 04:26:26 PM »

Jillyboo could I post my numbers as I really dont understand them but it will be a while before I see the Dr so would be happy if someone knows how to interpret them.

Post them & maybe we can help :)
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Cassie

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« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2024, 05:19:15 PM »

Thankyou, its all jargon to me, I just know I need to try and get my spine number improved  :-\

Thoracic Spine no insuffiency fracture identified.
Lumbar Spine T -score of -2.9
Dual Femur left & right hips have T scores of -2.2 and -2.3 falling in the oseopenic range
A T score of -2.5 in the right femoral neck indicates focal osteoporosis.
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Stockport1965

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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2024, 06:00:52 PM »

Thankyou, its all jargon to me, I just know I need to try and get my spine number improved  :-\

Thoracic Spine no insuffiency fracture identified.
Lumbar Spine T -score of -2.9
Dual Femur left & right hips have T scores of -2.2 and -2.3 falling in the oseopenic range
A T score of -2.5 in the right femoral neck indicates focal osteoporosis.
Can I ask your age?
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