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Debina67

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Long term use
« on: July 22, 2024, 12:48:36 PM »

Hi ,new to MM ,need advice ,I went through menopause at 44 ,I'm now 57 ,I've been on and off hrt for 12 years (mostly on ) and have had no problems apart from the odd bleed, I've had high BP for a couple of years but I'm on medication ,I've been ordering my ellest duet conti online as most of the health care workers at my GP surgery are adamant that I come off hrt , sighting the complete opposite of what I read online about long term use of hrt and high blood pressure ( that it's actually OK if controlled) am I right or are they ? because my hrt keeps me sane !
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CLKD

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Re: Long term use
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2024, 01:19:36 PM »

Hi - when you state 'health care workers' ....... what exactly do you mean? 

I can see our GP within 3 weeks if necessary or make an appt with the Nurse Practitioner.  In your situation I would ring the Surgery today and ask for a referral to a dedicated menopause clinic - not a gynaecologist as they don't often know much more than a GP might.  Once you have been seen at a Clinic the GP should be able to prescribe what is suggested.

 :welcomemm:  browse round.  Some find that keeping a mood/food/symptom diary of use to chart progress.
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Debina67

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Re: Long term use
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2024, 10:12:10 PM »

Hi , thanks for replying,  it took me a while to navigate this site lol , healthcare workers i described are as in my GP ,Nursing practitioner,  and advanced nursing practitioner,  I'm a health care assistant myself and my colleagues are horrified I've been on HRT this long and blame my hypertension on this, I don't even know if I have a menopause clinic to go to , as it's never been mentioned ?
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sheila99

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Re: Long term use
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2024, 06:44:35 AM »

They are out of date. The NICE guidelines used to say stop at 60 but now there is no age limit. Trans dermal is safer than oral though. You can ask fir a referral to an NHS meno clinic if you need to but expect a long wait.
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Hurdity

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Re: Long term use
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2024, 08:29:38 AM »

Hi Debina

 :welcomemm: from me too.

Please read this link from the British Menopause Society if you haven't done so already:

https://thebms.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/09-BMS-TfC-NICE-Menopause-Diagnosis-and-Management-from-Guideline-to-Practice-Guideline-Summary-NOV2022-A.pdf

In particular this point:

"  Starting and stopping HRT
HRT can be commenced for vasomotor symptoms or low mood
or anxiety that is menopause related. Since we cannot predict how
long symptoms will last, there should be no arbitrary limits for
duration of use of HRT and previously held views that HRT should
be stopped after 2 to 5 years or at the age of 60 are not backed up.
When women do decide to have a trial cessation of HRT to see if
it is still required for symptom control, either stopping suddenly
or gradually makes no difference to whether or not symptoms
will return.
"

Ideally print it off to take to the most senior person in your practice who is a menopause specialist.

Please also see this from the main MM website:

"Hypertension
    Blood pressure should be measured and, if high, should be controlled prior to starting HRT. Blood pressure measurement should be repeated 3 months after starting HRT and is then usually checked at annual review. There is a very small risk of conjugated equine estrogens causing a rise in blood pressure which resolves on cessation of treatment. In the presence of controlled hypertension, HRT is unlikely to worsen control; some recommend using transdermal (patch or gel) HRT.
    Sage should be used with caution if hypertensive and St.John's Wort should be used with caution if taking antihypertensive therapy. "

https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/atoz.php#GlossH

As per sheila - transdermal may be recommended, especially as you have hypertension, but also depends whether you have other risk factors eg if you are overweight, smoke, drink more than the recommended amounts of alcohol. poor diet (lots of refined foods, carbs and fats and few fresh foods) etc, insufficient exercise. If everything else on that list is OK then maybe you can continue with oral, say, until you're 60?

Evorel conti - transdermal patch (medium dose) - has the same ingredients as Elleste conti, though your body may take a while to adjust to the change in delivery - how the oestrogen gets into the body - and your resultant oestrogen levels may be slightly lower - as Elleste Duet conti is classed as higher dose.

Hope this helps

Hurdity x
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CLKD

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Re: Long term use
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2024, 09:12:23 AM »

Your colleagues should keep Big Gobs Shut! and check their facts!

You R in the correct Forum for up2date advice and info.  ;)

How is your hypertension diagnosed?   Many have White Coat Syndrome when in the GP surgery for BP checks. 

Let us know how you get on!
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Debina67

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Re: Long term use
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2024, 10:28:33 PM »

So ,crazy update,  just TWO days of missing my hrt ,I started to cramp and bleed really heavily,  got emergency gp appt for next day ( a miracle for my GP surgery) was sent straight to Gyni at my local hospital and in the space of four hours , was diagnosed with endometrial hyperplasia ( womb lining too thick ) which can cause cancer , had a biopsy and a mirena coil inserted and was told by the medics that they'd rather I took Hrt with my coil , meaning estrogen  and to make sure I get it prescribed by my GP if my biopsy is negative . What a wonderful  team they were ,all female ,I might add ! :)
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Northerngirl

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Re: Long term use
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2024, 11:15:34 AM »

Good to know that there are some GP surgeries who act so quickly. 4 hours is amazing and most importantly you have peace of mind that things are being treated and being taken seriously.
I waited about 8 weeks for an urgent hysteroscopy/biopsy as I needed GA.

Hope you're biopsy result comes back quickly and you get the all clear asap.

Thank you for sharing a positive story on the mm forum as there so many negative experiences a lot go through
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CLKD

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Re: Long term use
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2024, 11:29:10 AM »

Tnx for the update  :foryou: how do U feel overall?
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Debina67

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Re: Long term use
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2024, 11:55:44 AM »

I'm still quite shocked at the speed ,i thought id just have a referral for an ultrasound from my GP tbh and amazed that this gyni team sprung into action so quickly , I was bleeding quite heavily and my GP said she wasn't wasting any time examining me and phoned Gynagology to see me ASAP, they were brilliant , sad that this isn't the norm for a lot of ladies  >:( today I'm cramping quite a bit but that's the coil and the biopsy ,hopefully it will settle down soon.
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Re: Long term use
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2024, 01:57:00 PM »

Take some pain relief, keep hydrated and get those feet up in the shade or in front of the 📺
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Debina67

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Re: Long term use
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2024, 02:58:04 PM »

Aw thanks ,I'm binge watcing the Crown because I'm in Scotland , it's raining as per !
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CLKD

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Re: Long term use
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2024, 03:09:45 PM »

I won't tell U that it's very hot here  ;D
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Debina67

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Re: Long term use
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2024, 11:29:30 AM »

So a one week later update, bleeding and pain petered off ,until yesterday ,when it came back with a vengeance,  could my coil have came out ? They did say with a heavy bleed that could happen ?  Just the thought of having another one put in ,eek !
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Re: Long term use
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2024, 11:32:54 AM »

Probably not.  Is there a string but with a bleed not exactly easy to locate  ::)

have a lookC at the threads [sorry  :-\ ::)] on here.  'mirena coil' might be a good title to search .........
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