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r.peters

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Lichen Sclerosus
« on: January 19, 2023, 07:33:15 PM »

Hello Ladies
At 66 I have been diagnosed with Lichen Sclerosus (no other person in my family has this condition). My GP was giving me Thrush medication but it was not clearing up. As the wait time to see a NHS Dermatologist was very lengthy I paid privately to get a private appointment. I was given  500MG ClobaDerm to use every night for 1 month then every other night.
At first my rash responded well but came back with a vengeance after a month and I had to pay to see a private consultant again and was told to go back to using it every night.
This condition seems to itch like mad, look awful and cause pain around the vulva/clitoris area. I have googled the condition, the Consultant told me not to take any notice of the condition being reported as cancerous on the web. I have also read the various threads about the condition on this forum.
I have ordered some silk underwear, don't use any perfume products.. Can anyone that suffers with this awful condition offer any more advice?
I have had VA for many years and have been using Ovestin (as if that isn't enough to deal with !)...
Any thoughts of intimacy are proving quite stressful  :-\
Any input gratefully received.. thank you  Rebecca    :)
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Marchlove

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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2023, 08:11:02 PM »

Welcome rpeters

I’m afraid I don’t have enough knowledge about this condition to give you any advice, but just wanted to respond so that you stand more chance of others members seeing your new thread and responding.

Big welcome once again  :)
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Elliebee

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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2023, 10:01:49 PM »

Hi rpeters if you are on Facebook there is a really informative and helpful group on their called Lichen Sclerosis Uk support group .
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2023, 09:25:15 AM »

Hi Rebecca

I don't have any advice to offer, just empathy as I have LS too. Fortunately, for me, it's only mild so I just get intense itching, no rash or visible skin probs yet. My GP prescribed Betnovate with instruction to use for a week but I found that single applications just when I start to itch is enough for me. I also use Dermol cream for washing my vulval area every day.

I have no understanding of steroid creams and whether any particular brand suits an individual more than another, but may be worth asking your Dr for a different cream to try?

Really hope you find something that works for you as I know the itching drives me crazy!

Suzie
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r.peters

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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2023, 10:20:47 AM »

Thanks you for your kind help ladies, it is much appreciated...  :)
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2023, 10:44:43 PM »

I just wanted to say that sometimes people get on better with an ointment rather than a cream (fewer excipients). I treat occasional bouts of vulval dermatitis with Dermovate ointment, and was also prescribed this when it was thought I might have LS (I didn't, it was "just" VA).
Sorry I cannot help further, except to say that, on the private Vaginal Atrophy Facebook Support group, members there who have both conditions think highly of the similar LS groups. Elliebee has mentioned one.
Best wishes for a speedy resolution.
JP x
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r.peters

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Re: Lichen Sclerosus
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2023, 12:35:18 PM »

Hi Joaniepat
I am currently using the ClobaDerm ointment. However, the blotches on my skin are getting worse and spreading. I have had to make another appointment (private) for next Tuesday with a Consultant for her to look at it for the 3rd time.. it is costing me a fortune! I am getting really anxious about it.. I emailed her and asked if there was an alternative treatment I could use but she hasn't replied. As the rash is at the top of my legs the knicker elastic seems to rub and because the skin is always touching the inner skin of the other leg I wonder if it will ever improve, it looks quite angry and itchy.. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2023, 02:29:44 PM »

Hi Rebecca

I too have lichen sclerosus with VA, and also a prolapse, so I have sympathy for you.   I will tell you what has helped me, following seeing a dermatologist and also paying to see a private pelvic floor physio, for the prolapse primarily but she has been very helpful with the lichen sclerosus too.

The vulval dermatologist prescribed a pea sized amount of dermovate ointment to be used every day for two weeks primarily and then every other day for two weeks and then twice a week as a maintenance dose.  She also prescribed using a toothbrush head amount of ovestin every day (and to continue to use every day on an ongoing basis) to be rubbed in around the vulval/clitoral area about ten minutes after applying the dermovate.   I did this for two weeks and it really helped but when I tried to drop down to every other day the symptoms came back with a vengeance.  The physio then suggested that I should split the pea sized amount to half a pea sized amount morning and evening, and then to try dropping it down but to drop it down to half a pea sized amount once a day, which I did and I am now in a place where I use a third of a pea size every day, rather than one pea sized amount twice a week.   I continue to use the ovestin, and also use vagifem internally for the VA.

I have also found that castor oil is good to use as a moisturiser externally (this was recommended on a lichen sclerosus website/forum).  Also go commando as much as possible.  I no longer wear trousers, apart from occasionally some very soft harem trousers, and wear skirts/dresses with crotchless tights in the colder weather. 

I wash with hydromol and have showers rather than baths nowadays.

These are all things which have helped me.  I still have some times which are itchy/burny/painful,  but using the above regime has definitely made it more manageable and the skin definitely looks healthier than it did.

I hope some of this may help you.  It is a miserable condition and I hope you can find a regime that works for you. xx 
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r.peters

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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2023, 12:32:14 PM »

Hi Rebecca

I too have lichen sclerosus with VA, and also a prolapse, so I have sympathy for you.   I will tell you what has helped me, following seeing a dermatologist and also paying to see a private pelvic floor physio, for the prolapse primarily but she has been very helpful with the lichen sclerosus too.

The vulval dermatologist prescribed a pea sized amount of dermovate ointment to be used every day for two weeks primarily and then every other day for two weeks and then twice a week as a maintenance dose.  She also prescribed using a toothbrush head amount of ovestin every day (and to continue to use every day on an ongoing basis) to be rubbed in around the vulval/clitoral area about ten minutes after applying the dermovate.   I did this for two weeks and it really helped but when I tried to drop down to every other day the symptoms came back with a vengeance.  The physio then suggested that I should split the pea sized amount to half a pea sized amount morning and evening, and then to try dropping it down but to drop it down to half a pea sized amount once a day, which I did and I am now in a place where I use a third of a pea size every day, rather than one pea sized amount twice a week.   I continue to use the ovestin, and also use vagifem internally for the VA.

I have also found that castor oil is good to use as a moisturiser externally (this was recommended on a lichen sclerosus website/forum).  Also go commando as much as possible.  I no longer wear trousers, apart from occasionally some very soft harem trousers, and wear skirts/dresses with crotchless tights in the colder weather. 

I wash with hydromol and have showers rather than baths nowadays.

These are all things which have helped me.  I still have some times which are itchy/burny/painful,  but using the above regime has definitely made it more manageable and the skin definitely looks healthier than it did.

I hope some of this may help you.  It is a miserable condition and I hope you can find a regime that works for you. xx

Thanks for your comments Haydo
I will certainly give every a go that you mentioned.
It's rather annoying as I suppose that each time you go to the loo you have to keep reapplying the creams!
I will report back..
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Re: Lichen Sclerosus
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2023, 01:39:25 PM »

Another L.S. sufferer here. I use Betamethasone twice a week & wash the effected area with dermol cream.
Sometimes I get dry patches on the inside of my thighs so use the dermol there as well.
I was diagnosed with it about 18 months ago as I could see a dark spot that looked like a black head on my labia. Female doctor dismissed it but said "you do realise you have probably got LS"  :o :o.
I was very grateful that this was picked up.

Mine is under control now although I do believe it will be with me for life & could get worse over time.
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r.peters

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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2023, 09:02:34 PM »

Another L.S. sufferer here. I use Betamethasone twice a week & wash the effected area with dermol cream.
Sometimes I get dry patches on the inside of my thighs so use the dermol there as well.
I was diagnosed with it about 18 months ago as I could see a dark spot that looked like a black head on my labia. Female doctor dismissed it but said "you do realise you have probably got LS"  :o :o.
I was very grateful that this was picked up.

Mine is under control now although I do believe it will be with me for life & could get worse over time.

I also have 2 spots that look like blackheads but my GP said it was nothing to worry about and never mentioned LS!
You have a cream that treats eczema and dermatitis .. it's strange how each person with LS is given different treatment.. My skin is very red and fierce and blotchy after having a lukewarm shower this evening. I was tapping the skin dry with a flannel and I even found that quite tender. Any idea of being intimate at the moment would be unbearable - it's quite worrying really as my husband is younger than me.. ???
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2023, 09:41:48 PM »

Any idea of being intimate at the moment would be unbearable - it's quite worrying really as my husband is younger than me.. ???

Hi Rebecca,

Same here ........ luckily he's a patient man.

My GP said my black spots were nothing of concern also.

I agree with the othere ladies regarding the FB group, they know an awful lot & it is a private group & very well mamanged.
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r.peters

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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2023, 12:34:58 PM »

Any idea of being intimate at the moment would be unbearable - it's quite worrying really as my husband is younger than me.. ???

Hi Rebecca,

Same here ........ luckily he's a patient man.

My GP said my black spots were nothing of concern also.

I agree with the othere ladies regarding the FB group, they know an awful lot & it is a private group & very well mamanged.


Cazikins - I don't have a FB account but if I join through my husbands account can any of his friends see which groups you have joined? I would rather keep this private...
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2023, 01:11:50 PM »

I just wanted to say that sometimes people get on better with an ointment rather than a cream (fewer excipients). I treat occasional bouts of vulval dermatitis with Dermovate ointment, and was also prescribed this when it was thought I might have LS (I didn't, it was "just" VA).
Sorry I cannot help further, except to say that, on the private Vaginal Atrophy Facebook Support group, members there who have both conditions think highly of the similar LS groups. Elliebee has mentioned one.
Best wishes for a speedy resolution.
JP x
I cant use the Dermovate cream, but I'm ok with the Dermovate ointment. Also use Ovestin every night externally and wash with Cetraben dermatological cream. I have never had a biopsy for LS but the vulva specialist said I had inactive traces when examined so don't know for sure if it's LS or VA when I flare up. The Dermovate sorts it out anyway, whatever it is.
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2023, 02:00:22 PM »

Tnx.
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