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[Scampidoodle]

Thanks Sam. I’ll keep updating and hopefully it’s useful for people looking these things up!
So the first three or four days of Dim I had a god awful migraine, as you say it was like my skull was being crushed. I do get migraines now and again around my cycle but this was far worse. Then I’ve been fine. Apparently that can happen. Not saying that’s what happened with you but thought id mention.

The first week or so my symptoms were a little worse in general, I’ve read about a detox reaction where all the excess Estrogen gets pulled out of you or something?! So might have been that xx

[HelloSam666]

That's interesting as i just thought Id had some kind of weird allergic reaction to it. I started having hormonal migraines in my early 30s and used Sumatriptan but they got more frequent around in the last couple of years - which i assume is my hormones being all over the place. Progesterone cream stopped them pretty much completely.
I'll hold onto the Dim then and if things start getting bumpy on my current regime i'll maybe give them another shot but prepare myself for a few days of head pain 

[CrispyChick]

That's excellent news scampi. So chuffed for you that something is working.

I'm not sure many on here use dim (most are trying to add estrogen, not reduce it  ) but it's well talked about in other places. I'm in a fb group for ED. I'll have a search.

That's me nearing my first proper month on nothing. I've learnt a lot. But I did a blood test, so I'll await those results before I update.

I say nothing, but I'm 2 weeks into the Agnus castus. But that's a slow working herb and I'm 99.9% sure it's not doing anything yet.

[CrispyChick]

Sam - I tried dim last Feb when trying prog  cream. I didn't feel good at all, nut don't know which was responsible. I stopped the dim after 10 days.

But, just to say I got the initial 3 day relentless headache too. It's well known for it. They say its the detox 

[CrispyChick]

One more thought. You're both on progestin - but different delivery types.

I'm pretty sure mirena just adds in progestin, but the mini pill adds in prigestin but also keeps your estrogen low. So I'm not sure DIM the best idea in mini pill... But i might be wrong. X

[HelloSam666]

Thanks Crispy, i was just sat a my laptop pondering this whilst doing a quick search again about DIM. Perhaps it is best for me to steer clear at moment as the estriol cream i also started taking took away the night sweats i was getting now and again. I guess these are due to low oestrogen so i don't want to take something that will negate the positive effects it gives  ;-).

[Scampidoodle]

I would agree Sam. You’re onto a good thing at the mo so I guess you don’t want to rock the boat. Some say Dim lowers overall estrogen levels and some say it doesn’t. I think the key is it stops your progesterone and testosterone being ‘stolen’ to make more estrogen and then further down the chain it encourages your estrogen down a more favourable pathway. So I guess your estrogen does lower a bit as your progesterone and testosterone aren’t contributing to it. But it’s essentially as it should be. (I don’t even know if that makes sense!  )

I’m definitely not averse to trying the P cream in addition

[HelloSam666]

Thanks Scampi and yes, that's essentially what i thought it did, hence buying it i.e. balancing out things. I read on some of the forums online that it can help enormously for some but i guess it depends where you are with hormone changes.

Girls, I'll not rock the boat otherwise I could be back on this forum with other problems to deal with 

[CrispyChick]

Sam, if I was in your boat, and God, I wish I was... I wouldn't rock it. 

[CrispyChick]

And, lots on the fb group taking DIM. Plenty find it lowers estrogen. Perhaps it's individual.

Just remember what happened to my estrogen on the oestro clear though - although I did feel better for it.

It's that balance ladies. Gotta find that balance.

[Scampidoodle]

Keep us updated in the agnus castus crispy.  X

[CrispyChick]

I'm going to do an update post, since I've found it useful looking back over my own posts from last year.

So, I stopped both the progesterone and bio clear oestro due to the extreme reflux /gastritis. That's still ongoing. 

Since stopping. I had an OK week or so through Xmas (thank god) but then last week I descended into horrific pms. Like truely horrific. Mood swngs, extreme emotion, daily migraines and an inability to deal with life, never mind stresses. It was awful. So I was very grateful for my period to arrive after only 21 days.

I used ovulation strips last month. No ovulation. Which corresponds to low prog and pms and short luteal phase.

Roll on my period I thought. But no. Now day 3 of my cycle and I am back to square 1. I feel dire. My extreme estrogenic symptoms - this time with no prog to help, as last month was annovulatory. Motion sickness and nausea and grumpy. Looking back these were all things I suffered from in follicular from day 2 originally and then they increased in severity when I began prog..

So. I can conclude that adding progesterone definitely improved my mood, pms and migraines, but for me it did increase my estrogen causing further imbalance in follicular phase.

So now I'm back at the start. I'm on day 19 of agnus castus. It's not doing anything as yet, but it's a slow acting herb. I'm so praying that it helps me ovulate and start making a decent dose of my own prog. I'm still damn sure that's all I need.

Its going to be a long week... 

 

[Scampidoodle]

It sounds grim crispy. So sorry to hear.
Your symptoms sound familiar to mine in that I was getting terrible nausea and emotional. All felt very unpredictable. As you know this has improved with the Dim so it does sound like you have zero Progesterone and rising estrogen at this point in your cycle. I remember feeling really poorly with motion sickness travelling to relatives over Christmas.

I hope the agnus castus works for you this month. I don’t know enough about it to advise. But I know you’ve tried progesterone routes already x

[CrispyChick]

Thanks scampi.

I don't know either, and it's so hard going through this whilst I 'wait and see'.

However, it is the thing that worked amazingly well for me 5 years ago. First hand positive experience. Although back then I only had terrible pms... Not this huge imbalance feeling in follicular phase.

I'm taking the same brand, but half the dose since it didn't end well for me.

Yip. Motion sickness. That's where I'm at today. It is very very grim. But I guess I need to give the AC time...! When it works it should increase my LH and prog. I guess I can't expect that to happen until nearer mid cycle. ☹️. Its so tempting to double my dose, big I want a long term outcome so I'm trying to play the low and slow game.

Torturous.

[CrispyChick]

And I'm truly amazed and pleased for you at your response to the DIM.

I certainly never got there in the 10 days I tried it. In fact, I felt worse. But I was trying prog at the same time. It's also well known to make you worse if you detox but recirculate the estrogen instead of expelling - so maybe I'm in that camp 

So pleased for you. Xxx