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[Scampidoodle]

Hi it’s 100mg patch and it is just controlling my symptoms. Not sure what dose of  cream I’d need to use. If I had to go down this route.  Sorry it’s  me me me at the moment   This menopause thing makes me loose empathy.  I’m just feeling sorry for myself tonight. This has never been me. I dearly hope all you lovely ladies get sorted.  🙁

Could you maybe drop the dose of the patch rather than come off all at once?

[Ali P]

Yes. Something to discuss with GP. It’s going to be tough.  Going to order the quercetin now xx

[HelloSam666]

Hi ladies, just to update I saw my consultant today. I explained all the issues. For context she is a consultant gynae and menopause specialist with a special interest in mast cells, long covid and histamine.

My trials with dim and quashing of symptoms with the prog cream (though I’ve merely dabbled so far not used consistently) prove it’s all hormonally driven.

She has prescribed me the mini pill Norgeston whjch I can try if I want to. It was cheap so I thought she could prescribe then I’ll think about it. Don’t really want to do it unless necessary though.

She said she has absolutely no problem with me using the progesterone cream and that millions use it. She said it’s not high dose and isn’t used here as it doesn’t protect the lining at the doses they recommended ie 20mg but as I’m not using it for that it’s no problem. She asked how much it cost me and then said for that price if it works to go for it.

She offered utrogestan but we agreed it was likely too much for my needs.

X

  Hi Scampi, thanks so much for the update. I wonder then if your regime could end up being similar to mine i.e. mini pill & progesterone cream. This works well for me but anyway, see how you get on for now :-)

[Scampidoodle]

Thanks Sam. I just need to decide really whether to give the cream a proper go or whether to try the pill! I should know pretty quickly if something is not feeling right.

Just to add although she said it wouldn’t protect the womb lining that’s because we were talking about 20mg/one pump doses. Clearly when you use more like 50mg like Mary does, it certainly does seem to protect the lining.

Interestingly she mentioned a synthetic progesterone that’s available now which is very female friendly that is in 50mg dose and does protect the lining. But she said it’s expensive and it’s from a pharmacy she uses in London. I can’t remember the name of it though. Anyway it’s not an option for me as I don’t need 50mg but does seem to suggest 50mg is enough for hrt purposes?

[CrispyChick]

Wow, that's so interesting scampi. So a meno specialist told you millions take P cream and its absolutely fine to do so, and actually will possibly work for you???

But 20mg not enough for endometrium protection. As we've all said all along. That's why Mary takes 50mg and utro is min 100mg as lots lost in oral route.

So, I guess, not all research is 'published' public research. Meno specialists will be their own bank of knowledge about what does /doesn't work.

Did she say if there was a difference between OTC P cream and compounded??? X

[Scampidoodle]

She didn’t mention the difference between compounded and over the counter ones. She just said compounded is very expensive and she didn’t actually mention it at all as an option it was me who asked.

So I tried the pill for two days. Dire. Flared my histamines and felt dead inside. So last night back into P cream and did a full pump. Slept like a log. If anyone needs this for sleep it’s worth a go as honestly I slept deeply. I was a
Tad groggy this morning but in a nice way. I’ll carry on with a consistent one pump a night for a while. Feel a lot better today but time will tell if it’s just. ‘Good day’ etc. will keep you posted x

[Scampidoodle]

Can I ask if any of you ladies on the cream or have used the cream, got dizziness? I’m on 3rd day of one pump before bed. Helps in lots of ways but I do feel dizzy and groggy in the morning. Went for a walk this morning and felt quite unbalanced xx

[HelloSam666]

Hi Scampi, not with the cream although coincidentally i had a dizzy problem a couple of weeks ago. When i jumped out of bed one particular morning i was staggering around, very scary and i wondered what the hell was happening. I rang the doctors and was able to go see them next day. It turned out to be a problem relating my ear. I'd had a blocked ear on and off for around 3 wks which was particularly blocked after exercise. Apparently it can happen after a cold / flu or infection.  It's steadily getting better now and had no more dizziness.

[Scampidoodle]

Funny you should say that as I had a short lived cold around a week and a half ago and got over it pretty quickly but I’ve had loads of congestion since, in my nose. Bit of pressure around my nose area. My ears don’t feel blocked though. Either way, maybe it’s down to this. I’ve just been to the pharmacy to get some decongestant to see if it will help. It’s most unnerving. Made me feel very vulnerable when out this morning! Of course having had so many unsuccessful trials of medications, I’m so conscious of when things go wrong. Was worried it was the cream. I’ll take these meds and see if it helps x

[HelloSam666]

Hi Scampi, i said to the GP, i never suffer with sinus or problems with my ears but she said that it's not always noticeable immediately when you've had a cold or virus. The only thing i noticed was one of my ears felt a bit 'full' & it was a bit tender above my cheekbones. I had to hold my nose and blow - like you do on a plane with air pressure. She said a decongestant would help or using steam in bowl with a towel over. And also to get out of bed a bit more slowly or if bending down not get up too fast. It's getting better & i hope yours does too!

[Scampidoodle]

Thanks Sam! 

[Ali P]

Hi. Could it be a bit of low blood pressure x

[vintagefiend]

Hi ladies,

hope I can intrude!
following thread with interest.

I started my own on here regarding biovea estriol cream, but now I'm wondering whether I'd benefit from the biovea progesterone as well (or instead??).

It's basically for mood and general menopause rubbish!! anxiety, depression, no energy, no sleep blah blah- so bored of these symptoms

I don't have a womb which was why i hadnt considered the progesterone cream but i'm wondering if it's worth taking anyway

i absolutely do not get on with any of the conventional progs including utrogestan- this is why i had hysterectomy in first place! so it seems a bit ironic that i'm now asking about prog cream but there we are

just stopped estradot patch as feeling terrible- only 25mcg but my tolerance is so low

i'm 51

so it's back to the drawing board and i havent the energy to try any of the conventional stuff- i've done it all pretty much.

do women often take only prog cream or is it both prog and estriol? really like to hear experiences. obviously i can leave out the prog if i want
thanks for any help

[vintagefiend]

also i dont have ovaries so prob benefit from estriol too

[CrispyChick]

Hi vintage.

I'm terns of what 'most' woman take, those on this forum are very heavily shewed towards conventional hrt. Our NHS dies not support prog only.

However, in other countries there is a lot more recognition of the fact that prog declines first in peri.

I myself have been to a bhrt clinic for help - I was recommended prog only.

All that said, you're post meno, so your needs, are not the same as mine.

My advice would be - if you've exhausted all conventional hrt avenues. Try the creams. Try just estrogen, try just prog. Try both. Without a need for uterus protection, you can go for it.

Certainly in all my readings, many woman feel better with a little progesterone fur balance.

Good luck. Let us know how you get on.

P. S I've tried both compounded and available online progesterone creams. They 100% contain active hormones. Absorption of cream can be an issue and I found the compounded much stronger as I suspect i absorbed more.