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[pinkmarshmallow]

I’m now 100mg Utrogesten every day and reduce Sandrena gel from 2mg to 1mg (starting to think that too much has been causing the cortisol surges).  Still persevering with Propranolol at night although woke various times last night and then at 4.40 couldn’t get back off.  I have noticed I’ve started to have dreams again.  I’m also taking 345mg of magnesium glycinate (def helped with body twitches) but may take an antihistamine tonight to see if that helps with sleep.  The dr I spoke to today was helpful and I’ve got a follow up phone chat with her next month. 

[Rainy kelly]

Hi pinkmarshmallow
The magnesium glycinate should help with your sleep ..its magnesium oxide that will help with migraines..I suffered with them for years till I found thise little beauty's....I also take feverfew ...a supplement I get from amazon ... take them both and I'm pretty much migraine free for years now ...I also have the surges in early morning when I open my eyes .. anxiety in waves from feet to chest! .. been taking antihistamine chloraphensmine as advised by one of the lovely ladies on here !.2 at night .. can take upto 4 a day if needed ...has made the world of difference in a week!...
Rk x

[pinkmarshmallow]

Hi RainyKelly.  Can I ask how much of the different magnesiums you take and also the amount of feverfew?  Still not taken an antihistamine yet but my sleep has got worse over the past few days so thinking about that too.  My surges are slightly not as strong as they had been may be from reducing the Sandrena gel.  Who knows?  Have a good day everyone

[Rainy kelly]

Hi pinkmarshmallow ..
I take 2 glycinate 500mg  at night to deal with anxiety...
I take 2 oxide 320 mg if I have a migraine head ...its a lot of mag in one day but it works for me with no side effects... and tbh I rarely get a bad head now and my anxiety is bothering me more lately so I stick to the glycinate religiously
And 2 feverfew ....100mg per tab
It's generally one a day ..but if your head is playing up take the 2 ..all trial and error and check with with any other meds your taking  ..
.... the anthist has made a massive diff to my sleep and anxiety...I hope this helps
Rk

[pinkmarshmallow]

Thank you Rainy Kelly for that.  Have you or anyone had a nap in the afternoon and woken up with cortisol surges?  It happened to me for the first time today.    I thought the surges were highest in the morning.  Surely by the afternoon they shouldn’t be around?  Any advice would be appreciated

[joziel]

I think there is something going on with some deeply primitive part of the brain in all this. Because a lot of us have issues at night and with sleeping/waking. Starting from sleep. I have palps that begin as I am losing consciousness(!). Others have cortisol on waking. It's all very weird.

It is also really hard to separate out what is peri-menopause/menopause and would be happening anyway even if people weren't on HRT - and what is caused by HRT.

The only way to know that would be to hang out on a group with a bunch of women going through these life phases who weren't taking HRT. And get a sense of how much these things happen for them. Because my hunch is that HRT is behind a lot of this. That's not to blame it, but to say that I think it's really crude at the moment and a lot of women's bodies need something more sophisticated.

Anyways, that's my waffle.

[pinkmarshmallow]

Great idea.  There is a Facebook page which I’ve found.  I’ll ask on there. 

[Marchlove]

I completely agree and resonate with this Joziel.
I It’s a crude delivery, but how can we ever replicate our completely marvellous bodies!
I hang out with relatives and friends who are not on hrt and a lot are doing well.
But equally, the few women I know who are on hrt are doing well too!
Are they hiding stuff? I don’t know!
But on the surface at least, they are out and about and seem to have a life.

The primitive part of our brain is something we all hold within us.
Yes, I have felt this most strongly at night.
This overtime has shifted enormously!
Starting with night terrors, insomnia, but then progressing forward gradually to a greater acceptance of these mental symptoms.
Then came the physical symptoms, shaking, tremors and hallucinations. Not nice! But I suddenly realised that this was my body’s way of releasing trauma!
These mental and physical symptoms are gradually fading. Not fast enough I often think, but at the pace I now know is right for me.

X

[Ansie p]

Hi all, I was interested to know what these surges felt like, I've been on hrt for over a month and last night I kept waking up non stop. So hard to explain what it felt like but I've had it before, feels like if I go to sleep something is going to happen like I stop breathing, get a surge like feeling in body and my heart races. It feels scary to sleep, could this be cortisol surges?
I hope everyone is ok on this menpause journey! I was thinking of trying accupincture as has always really helped with things in the past

[Rainy kelly]

Hi joziel ...
I had the surges before Starting HRT ... had then for years and getting more frequent especially with  mad hot flashes in the night .. I went on HRT in hope it would help ...so far ..im not sure ...but the antihistamines with the HRT patches have def made an improvrment to my mad waves of lunacy .. ( as I like to refer to them!)  But def feeling like I'm not losing my mind the more I read that's its not just me whos body and mind is playing tricks 
Also keeping a diary of food and drink ...can see a pattern of anxiety surging if I've had a coffee the day before! So stopped that and think it's helping too
RK
Rk

[joziel]

Ansie, I had that a few times when I went really high with my estrogen - higher than my body liked. Could you be on too much estrogen?

[Ansie p]

Hi Joziel thanks for your reply. That's interesting , I have no idea what's happening or what I'm doing ha ha, but I'm on a very low dose of estrogen at the mo. Yesterday I cried all day it was like an uncontrollable storm in my head! Wondering weather to try the combi patches, some people are saying they work for them. I hope you are getting on ok with it all

[joziel]

In that case you might need more estrogen…

Confusingly too high and too low symptoms can look very similar.

I wouldn’t suggest switching to combi patches if you can avoid it as they contain a synthetic progestin and not the body identical progestin that is utrogestan…..

[pinkmarshmallow]

Well I’ve stopped taking propranolol in the evenings and now back to the mornings.  I had more interrupted sleep taking it at night.  Also still getting surges in the morning.  Tried Phenargen 35mg last night, knocked me out.  Woke at 5.50am dragged myself to the loo and back into bed, fast asleep until the alarm went off!  No surges or anxiety!  This has not happened for a very long time!  My Fitbit recorded that I’d only had 11 mins of deep sleep - that’s not good.  I’ve felt so tired today, fed the dogs then slept on and off until 8.45am.  Felt very heady today and have decided to half the dosage next time I take it.   Had a migraine yesterday, need to buy some magnesium oxide

[Rainy kelly]

Hi pink marshmallow .

Try the chlorapheamine antihist...get it over the counter too..far less heavy head than phenargans...that stuff is like a complete sedative  the following day for me too! .taking 2 chlora at bed has been a life changer for me with the anxiety .. along with magnesium glycinate at night it will help with the headache too

Rk x