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Katherine

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Re: How do menopause symptoms stop
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2022, 05:31:11 PM »

Hi all, thank you so much for all of the info, it is greatly appreciated.

Hurdity, thank you for taking the time to write such a comprehensive post. In terms of the mechanisms I was wondering about, I found a study online which was published in Nature which sheds more light on it. It basically says that the brain usually adapts to the hormone changes and several factors such as brain grey matter volume stabilise or are restored post menopause although genetics have an influence too. So it sounds encouraging. If anyone is interested I will post a link. I haven’t looked at many other studies yet but will do.  In relation to the contraceptive pill, I can’t tolerate the combined or progesterone only pill so they aren’t an option for me.  I am actually tempted to stop HRT and see how I feel without it because I can’t fully remember. The improved sleep is great but I don’t like feeling partially sedated all the time or the wired feeling I sometimes get with estrogel. I feel like I can’t fully relax on HRT. In terms of the protection from osteoporosis, etc, I have decided that I would prefer to do what makes me feel my best now rather than take HRT just for the long term health benefits. I guess I just need to experiment. Things are becoming clearer as time goes on. Thanks again. X

Marchlove and CKLD - thanks for the info. Today I actually skipped the estrogel as I felt I didn’t need it (I’m in my good time of month so more energy) but I guess I still need to take the utrogestan this evening. I did actually stop taking HRT a few weeks into taking it as I felt a bit wired and nothing bad happened. The only thing that concerns me about tweaking my oestrogen dose daily (if I do end up continuing with HRT) is that if my ratio of progesterone to estrogen is too high that my womb lining will get too thin. I read somewhere that it can get thin and ulcerated, not sure where I read that though. I should probably consult my GP before making any decision. Xx
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CLKD

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Re: How do menopause symptoms stop
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2022, 05:36:32 PM »

Where did U read about that, I believed that a thinner lining is better than one that thickens. 

Keep that mood/food/symptom diary and let us know how you get on?
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Katherine

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Re: How do menopause symptoms stop
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2022, 06:06:28 PM »

CLKD, sorry I can’t remember where I read that. I just googled it and all the articles focus on the dangers of having too thick a lining. I’ve only ever seen the thing about ulceration in one place though.

Thanks for the diary idea, I track my mood and energy levels but not food as I just eat intuitively and give my body what it wants within reason. My diet is balanced but I’ve had to stop keeping chocolate and cake in the house as I can’t leave it alone, it makes me feel ten times better but I now need to lose weight. I wish I could buy the chemical in sweet foods and get the benefit without the weight gain!
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Katherine

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Re: How do menopause symptoms stop
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2022, 06:45:53 PM »

Jaypo’s post from this thread has disappeared! I wanted to refer back to it. Why do posts disappear?  >:(

On the plus side I’ve just found the window with all the other emojis, its fab!
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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2022, 08:07:14 PM »

Hello

Gosh I’d never heard of the possibility of it becoming ulcerated.

But that said, I think that is an extreme scenario, not that it can’t happen but worth bearing in mind. Most  ladies on MM seem to have the opposite problem. But saying that perhaps this hasn’t really ever been raised?

It’s a difficult question you pose as to how you balance the two hormones and unfortunately one I do not have the answers to.

I completely agree with you regarding preferring short term benefits opposed to long term. I want to benefit now, not in some future decade when who knows what might be happening  to me and the world in general. I want my health to be as good as it can be now, so that I can be if benefit to others in some way. That is my hope, completely off topic but hey!

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Katherine

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Re: How do menopause symptoms stop
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2022, 09:13:18 PM »

Hi Marchlove, I don’t remember the source of the ulceration info so I can’t be sure how credible it was and as you say most people are quite rightly concerned with the opposite scenario.

That’s lovely what you said of being of benefit to others. Also I think there is so much emphasis on quantity of life rather than quality. I mean I could stop eating chocolate and cake but then life would be much worse  ;D
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Re: How do menopause symptoms stop
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2022, 07:58:31 AM »

The Member may have decided to remove the post ......... or on some Forums, a moderator will step in if it's not topic related.
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Katherine

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Re: How do menopause symptoms stop
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2022, 10:02:17 PM »

Ive decided to stop my HRT for now, I’ve had none yesterday or today but will make a GP appointment to see if she has any suggestions for alternative ways of taking it, etc. I’m a bit scared but I feel medicated rather than like my old self. Thanks for all of your comments, it has all helped in me reaching a decision. X
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« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2022, 06:43:36 AM »

Good luck Katherine, let us know how you get on x
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Hurdity

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Re: How do menopause symptoms stop
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2022, 07:47:15 AM »

Hi there

In response to the Qs about thinning of the uterus lining which can cause spotting or bleeding - the medical term is "endometrial atrophy" and you can briefly read about it here: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/post-menopausal-bleeding/ or google the term. If I recall correctly the term is also used for what happens to the endometrium naturally post-menopause, so that the lining (receptors) normally does not continue respond to the oestrogen women continue to produce throughout their lives, so that it does not thicken and cause problems - but in this (normal) case the atrophy is not a clinical problem ie does not cause ulceration. Don't quote me on that though as I haven't looked it up for ages! And it has been raised many times on this forum as a possibility - and specifically in relation for example to those using a Mirena coil into post-menopausal years, in the absence of added oestrogen, because the progestogen dose is so high.

Katherine you said this: "I can’t tolerate the combined or progesterone only pill so they aren’t an option for me". The thing is the pills I mentioned are not like the combi pills you may have tried - they are more like HRT. Most combi pills contain very strong artificial oestrogens whereas the two listed contain estradiol which is what you are using in the gel. Which POP types did you try? The are many different progestogens and the more modern ones may not cause the same side effects....In any case they are not comparable with combi pills except that they can suppress the cycle and dampen hormonal fluctuations.

Women who are barely peri-menopausal may well not need extra high exogenous ( externally given)  dose of oestrogen as they will still h ave their own, but the addition of a small amount means that in the second half of the cycle and especially at the end, it provides a base level so that their oestrogen does not "crash" quite so much as it otherwise would ie dampening the fluctuations somewhat.

"I have decided that I would prefer to do what makes me feel my best now rather than take HRT just for the long term health benefits."

Yes this is what motivates most women to consider HRT, but then they have the added long term benefits. In fact I am glad that I suffered horrible symptoms of flushes and sweats when peri-menopausal otherwise I woud not have considered HRT, but now my height, late 60's is the same as it always was and my bones are protected (my mother has osteoporosis). Some women who are at risk of osteoporosis (low BMI, early menopause, genetic pre-disposition) are advised to take HRT even without experiencing short term symptoms.


"I found a study online which was published in Nature which sheds more light on it. It basically says that the brain usually adapts to the hormone changes and several factors such as brain grey matter volume stabilise or are restored post menopause although genetics have an influence too. So it sounds encouraging. If anyone is interested I will post a link. "

I would be interested... though may forget to come back and have a look!

Hurdity x


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Re: How do menopause symptoms stop
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2022, 08:27:57 AM »

Morning Hurdity ..........
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Katherine

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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2022, 02:42:42 PM »

Hi all,

Thanks for your good wishes Marchlove. I ended up taking a utrogestan at 3am as I was wide awake and had restless legs and within an hour of taking the capsule I was relaxed and ready for sleep. So it looks like it doesn't actually build up in the body much after all. The first night I skipped it I was fine. So in future if I feel like it's built up a bit I will just miss a dose. It's taken 6 months to get to this point so hopefully it won't happen too often. I'm really glad that happened as it showed me really quickly what happens when I don't take it and now I'm really thankful for the HRT! I think I will adjust my oestrogen dose daily according to how I feel too. 1 pump daily will be enough much of the time I think. It's proving to be a steep learning curve!

Hurdity, thank you for your reply - here is the link. I focused mainly on the abstract, not delving too deep into the study design or anything like that. But it looks encouraging. :-

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-90084-y

The combined pill I tried was microgynon and it gave me horrendous migraines with aura. I can't remember the name of the progesterone only pill but it made me feel unwell, gave me sore breasts and killed my sex drive which defeated the object of having it! Anyway, now I have realised I might be ok if I just tweak my doses of utrogestan and oestrogen a bit daily according to how I feel, I am happy to continue with them for the time being.

In terms of my reasons for starting HRT, it wasn't for the long term health benefits (I wasn't aware of them at the time) but for my symptoms mainly insomnia, poor quality sleep, anxiety and fatigue. But I was considering staying on the HRT even when I wasn't feeling my best on it, for the long term health benefits - then realised it is more important to me how I feel right now. Anyway it looks like I might get the long term benefits after all, yay!

Anyway, thank you so much Hurdity for another comprehensive reply and to all you ladies who I feel supported by, I am so thankful for this forum! I feel a bit daft changing my mind about HRT all the time but I guess you all understand! Have a great weekend everyone xxx
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« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2022, 03:31:27 PM »

That sounds like a good plan Katherine.

I know some women take the Utrogestan every other night and certainly that is quite a common practice in Europe. Ideally we would all like a 50mg dosage to take daily, but unfortunately the ‘powers that be’ haven’t made that option available.

Let us know how you get on going forward. x
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Katherine

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« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2022, 04:09:23 PM »

Thanks Marchlove, that is very useful to know. I was thinking just that the other day - 50mg capsules would be ideal. We need a petition or something. x
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Re: How do menopause symptoms stop
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2022, 05:33:45 PM »

Restless leg syndrome - I suffered from an early age.  By chance eating a small banana daily cured the symptoms.  However, I'm fussy about bananas  ::) they have to be 'right'!  2 Nurofen an hour B4 bed helps if bananas aren't 'right'. 
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