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Marchlove

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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2022, 08:49:31 AM »

Kathleen- please don’t bother with the blood tests for cortisol and Dhea as they are unreliable and only pinpoint what is in your blood at that particular time. Even going to the doctor and having your blood drawn can raise cortisol!
Saliva testing over four points in the day, at home, is the most accurate way of testing and your GP won’t do this.

ATB is far more knowledgeable than me on thyroid issues so hopefully she’ll be along again.
I can recommend a good book though called ‘Stop the thyroid madness’ second addition.
Very interesting book and it covers adrenal dysfunction as well in some detail.
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ATB

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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2022, 09:17:46 AM »

I would recommend the same book as Marchlove, they also have a website that is excellent, by the same name.

Thyroid testing on NHS usually is just TSH. This is thyroid ‘stimulating’ hormone, a messenger only and completely useless when on thyroid meds as your thyroid is suppressed, and not that great even if you’re not. The actual active thyroid hormones should be tested,  that is Free T3, and Free T4, and at the beginning reverse T3 and obviously antibodies at the start too. The Free T3 should be in the upper quarter of the range, the Free T4 should be at halfway or above. The maths to determine this, as lab ranges vary, is on the website but you want to work out using the range they give and you should be able to work out the halfway point and go from there. In range is meaningless, it’s about optimal thyroid function. But, you’ll struggle to get a GP to listen. I went private and I use Medichecks to monitor, it’s fairly cheap there to just test Free T3 & T4. The doctors that give results and feedback understand thyroid suppression on meds too so they evaluate the results and ranges properly. If you’re on T4 medication only, but can’t convert that into T3, you’re still not going to feel well so that’s why patient advocate groups are asking for T3 to be added, or NDT’s like Armour as an option on the NHS. Some GPs will prescribe NDT or synthetic T3, but not many. Most NHS labs refuse to test Free T3 so Gps are not always to blame. But it is as frustrating an area as menopause and the fact hypothyroidism mostly affects women, 90% of patients, pretty much answers why that is. They simply do not listen to us, make us wait till our TSH is super high despite ‘normal’ being 1.0, we have to be over 10 to get some treatment but even then it’s poor. I felt like death at 4.5 TSH,  literally bedridden and 2 stone heavier. Privately I discovered my T3 was almost 0 and my T4 was only just in range and nowhere near half, all of my hormones were barely in range Inc cortisol across the day, estrogen & testosterone too and my prolactin was double the top of the range. I was very sick and the NHS would of just left me like that. I don’t even think they realise that you can go into a myxedema coma if you’re hypothyroid and left like that. Thankfully I had money to go private, many women do not. It’s not acceptable. What you can do if you can’t afford private tests is use your daily temperatures, Google it, because my private doc said he thinks that’s the best way to tell if you’re currently in a hypothyroid state. There are graphs and things you can use to monitor that. Personally my main official kind of sources is thyroid Uk, not the British thyroid association who are hopeless.
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Kathleen

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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2022, 11:37:47 AM »

Hello again ladies.

Thank you both for yet more valuable information!  It's a lot to take in so I will be making plans over the weekend.

I take it that Medichecks are the people to go with so I will check out their website.

Thanks again ladies and take care.

K.

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Kathleen

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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2022, 12:17:39 PM »

Me again ladies.

Marchlove and ATB  -  A quick question ladies please. I have just ordered the Medichecks Saliva Test for Cortisol and I see that a more accurate result is achieved if HRT isn't being used. I don't really want to miss my gel for the day of the test but I suppose I could if it is strictly necessary. What do you ladies think? Would it be okay to apply my gel as normal on the day of the test?

Thank you for your help.

Wishing you both well.

K.
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Marchlove

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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2022, 12:28:22 PM »

That’s a difficult one.
What time of day do you apply the gel? x
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Marchlove

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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2022, 12:51:51 PM »

Actually I wouldn’t and don’t bother stopping hrt when doing cortisol and Dhea saliva test.
The reason being I want to know what my cortisol is doing when I am taking it not when I’m not, which is never!
Just write on the form you send back what you are taking. It’s very important to do the Dhea at the same time especially as your post, so make sure medichecks do this and if not choose another company.
As far as thyroid goes I hope ATB can help you with this as I’ve only done one test and that was before I started treatment. I think you’re supposed to not take your thyroid meds until after you do the test in the morning but hopefully ATB will confirm.
It’s all a bit daunting I’m sure so well done for thinking outside the box x
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Kathleen

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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2022, 01:13:40 PM »

Hello there Marchlove.

Thank you for answering my question so quickly, it is very kind of you.

The test I am doing just says Cortisol but perhaps Dhea is included? No matter if not, at least I have got the ball rolling with some tests.

I feel better for being proactive especially as I am finding my mood swings increasingly disturbing. I had a goodish morning followed by a low mood and tearful lunchtime! Goodness knows what the rest of the day will bring...

Thanks again and take care.

K.
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ATB

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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2022, 01:46:34 PM »

Yeah I would take it as normal because I want to know what my cortisol is on HRT. I take my thyroid meds early, so every test I do is after them.
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Kathleen

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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2022, 03:31:03 PM »

Hello there ATB

Thank you for your advice. I will do the Cortisol test on Tuesday.

I had a Thyroid test done recently by my GP which was all okay and Antigens were normal but T3 wasn't included. I will look into a Medichecks test to see what they offer.

I've had a real mood dip again this afternoon in contrast to yesterday afternoon! I just cannot work out what is happening so the more information I can gather the better.

Thanks again for your help and take care.

K.
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Marchlove

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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2022, 04:36:44 PM »

Well done Kathleen.

This is the lab I use and here is an example of their test report for your info.

https://www.zrtlab.com/media/1647/adrenal-stress-profile.pdf

Even thought it’s an American lab you can still us them as you freeze the saliva tests before sending. There is a uk company that you order their tests from.

My last test showed that my cortisol dipped too much at lunchtime but apart from that was ok.
My Dhea was almost non existent so I now supplement with a low dose in the morning.
Dhea is very much an age dependent thing so post menopause it’s almost certainly going to be lower.

Hope your test goes well on Tuesday x
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« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2022, 07:22:40 PM »

Kathleen- im getting the full test done on Tuesday at 11 via medichecks.  If you look on their Website under female hormone tests its the £109 it checks estrogen etc and also indepth thyroid.
I  paying an extra £30 to have a nurse draw the blood its really easy as they have a clinic just up the road from me. You put your postcode in and will tell you which is the nearest one. Xxxx
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ATB

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« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2022, 09:02:16 PM »

No that’s not the one that does a full I depth thyroid profile, it’s more for the sex hormones and to check menopause related stuff. It only checks free T4. You want a full thyroid profile which I think they call the advanced thyroid, includes antibodies,  if you want to check all of your thyroid hormones. A thyroid function if you’re on medication is the one I get regularly, it’s the Free T3 & Free T4 ( plus TSH ).
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Kathleen

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« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2022, 10:40:32 AM »

Hello again ladies.

Thanks once more for your help and advice.

I have looked through the Medichecks website and the nearest clinic is about a twenty minute drive from me so I'm pleased about that.

I will see how things go with my Cortisol test on Tuesday and then set about arranging the blood draw tests at the clinic.

Excellent help from you ladies as always and much appreciated.

Take care all.

K.


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Uptick

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« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2022, 03:11:41 PM »

Hi Kathleen, I don't have time to post all my thoughts right now, but let's start with a single question: have you ever had your prolactin levels tested?
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Marchlove

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« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2022, 04:18:14 PM »

Ah, prolactin Uptick, been reading lots about it!
Never had mine tested but just started Agnus Castus in the morning which lowers prolactin.
Sorry, question was to Kathleen. x
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