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[CLKD]

Aprilflower - Yes, but recently many that had criticized have retracted.

I don't think many of us can keep up completely with who said what/where/when ......... any ideas who have retracted their critiscms?

[Gracie]

Isn't everything wonderful and easy in hindsight!

I would have thought that the Barrington Declaration is irrelevant now as the world didn't take their suggestions up and each country is carrying on with the best way they know for their citizens on getting to the end of this pandemic in the best way they can.

[Aprilflower]

Isn't everything wonderful and easy in hindsight!

I would have thought that the Barrington Declaration is irrelevant now as the world didn't take their suggestions up and each country is carrying on with the best way they know for their citizens on getting to the end of this pandemic in the best way they can.

Except Sweden,. Who have done very well.

[CLKD]

So still confused then 

Hindsight will show how the World dealt best with the pandemic, hopefully in time to make plans for the next, which will surely arrive. 

[Gracie]

Hindsight will show how the World dealt best with the pandemic, hopefully in time to make plans for the next, which will surely arrive.

Exactly, and what inquiries are all about, learning and listening from what went before!

[CLKD]

I have an article to hand, somewhere in That Pile Over There  about previous pandemics across the UK and how we may have learnt from those. 

[CLKD]

Well I go to the top of our stairs  .  a friend of ours, aged 55, suffered a heart attack - he didn't think it was but his wife 'forced' him to hospital 3 weeks ago; now he has Covid ...... WTF!  He is isolated, bored, waiting for various tests after surgical intervention; physio. has been stopped but he is still driven round the Hospital to X-ray!!  Double jabbed, waiting for his booster 

Confused.  ? moi ? 

[Gracie]

Hospitals are a breeding ground for this virus, remember poor Captain Tom, fine until he went into hospital and caught covid!
Hope your friend recovers soon.

[Gynaikeíos]

Looking at proposals of Great Barrington Declaration even now where we are - the deaths in the population who would not be required to lockdown or use distancing would have been terrible. They did not know enough about covid-19 to say what they did. Many more people have been vulnerable to effects of covid-19 infection than just the old and people who are obviously vulnerable who would have been the only ones shielded.

Vaccines are working so well now. I saw sad little stickers from antivaxx saddos on my way to work this morning. They need to see shrinks and get lives I feel.

[Aprilflower]

You are forgetting Sweden, who have done so much better than us without mass restrictions.

I think there  are very few total anti vaxers.  Most are just pro choice, which is very different.

[Gracie]

For anyone interested in the Sweden Covid experience this is a recent and excellent read that puts everything into context.

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n3081 

[Aprilflower]

For anyone interested in the Sweden Covid experience this is a recent and excellent read that puts everything into context.

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n3081

Good article Gracie.

Of course the bottom line is deaths per million. Latest is.  UK 2207.32 and Sweden 1493.48.

Quite a difference.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/

[CLKD]

Not as many people in Sweden ? 

[Aprilflower]

Not as many people in Sweden ?

It's deaths per million so makes no difference.

Also population has a mainly urban population with a similar denceity to ours.

[CLKD]

   I don't do sums, you can probably tell