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[CLKD]

Thanks!

I think it's really important to remember that coronovirus and Covid19 aren't really the same thing.

We are trying to stop the spread of a virulent form of coronovirus called Covid19. Coronovirus is a catch-all name for what most of us would call the common cold.

So if someone tests positive for coronovirus it does not mean they have covid19.

The 13year old who unfortunately died had tested positive for coronovirus but that does not mean he had covid19. He could have had meningitis.

I'm saying this because people are freaking out about the word coronovirus, but at some point we all would have had it. Covid19 is different. I have to remind myself to be aware of this and not get wound up snd terrified by news reports.

I now understand why ?coronovirus? was on Richard's aunt's death certificate.  She didn't have Covid19. A common cold killed her, as she was incredibly frail already.


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So it is time that the Media stops muddling up the terminology then?  Will you tell Matt Hancock ;-)

[CLKD]

I think the media need to do more research B4 they put anything onto the TV/radio ......... now that we are more aware of how it's being put over and interestingly, the Telegraph has the graph from the 1st week: C-19, Coronavirus and 'flu death rates.  Makes it clearer.

[Two hoots]

Covid 19 is coronovirus, it's only the 19 that makes it the current strain 

[Hurdity]

I've done an (hopefully) accurate explanation of Coronavirus and Covid-19 here:
https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,47582.0.html

"So if someone tests positive for coronovirus it does not mean they have covid19."

This is incorrect. I have explained in the thread above linked to above. Do have a look. Current tests are for the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) which causes the illness Covid-19. This is what is being tested for and what the numbers of cases mean.

The very sad case of the 13 year old who died - if he tested positive for coronavirus it means that he tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 and therefore was probably ill with Coivd-19 although there are cases of individuals who are symptomless who have tested positive for the virus.

If someone is said to have died from "coronoavirus" in the current climate - it means they have tested positive  for SARS-CoV-2 and suffered from the illness Covid-19 which is referred to in common parlance as "coronavirus".

Flu viruses are not coronaviruses.

It is really important to understand the distinction so please read my new thread in the Health Section (must have posted approx the same time as you CLKD!).

Hurdity x

[CLKD]

But if someone hasn't been tested how can a Death Certificate state that they died of C-19?  which is how this thread began 

[CLKD]

Tnx - there are going to be a lot of mis-leading DCs at this rate - cynic?  Moi?

[CLKD]

I don't understand that detailed explanation from Hurdity either 

[Two hoots]

Every briefing is followed by a question and answer session , without exception the questions are 1-testing and 2-protective equipment, what exactly are the journalists expecting as an answer to the same question asked yesterday ......

Testsing and equipment are important but does it need to be asked over and over again.

[CLKD]

They don't know what else to ask and it's a way of getting back at the Government of the day.

If the NHS didn't have a throw away attitude all those safety gowns etc. could be sterilised.  Re-used.  It seems strange to me that since items were thrown away and since cleaners were outsourced, the rate of hospital acquired infections has risen. 

UK Manufacturers are getting on with making clothing etc.. 

[Two hoots]

Question 1 testing, question 2 PPE

 

[jaypo]

But how can they state someone died of either(sorry confused) until a post mortem has been done?As with that lovely 21 year old,it was all over the news,she died from Coronavirus,then they quietly told you,erm,actually she suffered a heart attack

[dangermouse]

I wonder if its an indirect cause?

Maybe they put it on the death certificate to say that due to Coronavirus, they could not be given the medical intervention needed.

[CLKD]

Post mortem examinations are probably on hold?  Certainly there is a lack of Coroners to report ..... my cousin in law dropped dead 2 years ago, her body wasn't released for 5 months because they were waiting for a Pathologist to do the PM - eventually they had such a backlog of bodies that she was eventually released to the family.  There is a history of heart disease in the family so we felt it important to find out in order to proceed the next generations ......... now we will never know if her children/grand-children etc. are likely to be affected.

Why are so many people being labelled as having died of V-19? : without a PM can it be a certain cause of death.  Would this have been 'heart disease' or 'seasonal flu' in other years? 

Eddy Large was already in hospital due to heart problems ....... so how did he catch C-19  maybe the obituary will explain more?

[jaypo]

That's exactly my point clkd,how can they possibly know for sure what they died of without a post mortem,which they can't possibly do for a long time,this country's media seems to love sensationalising this

[Taz2]

But how can they state someone died of either(sorry confused) until a post mortem has been done?As with that lovely 21 year old,it was all over the news,she died from Coronavirus,then they quietly told you,erm,actually she suffered a heart attack

As the organs begin to shut down due to the infection (any infection) overwhelming the body then a heart attack is often the final cause of death.

Taz x