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Author Topic: Political Correctness and Re-writing History  (Read 12566 times)

stellajane

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Political Correctness and Re-writing History
« on: November 11, 2019, 10:12:27 AM »

This may have been mentioned already but I was only thinking about it again this morning.

What did others think of the story about the pc brigade in a town in Devon (Bideford I think) which has traditionally been called 'Little White Town' wanting to get rid of that title?  Historically I understand it got its' name because all the houses used to be painted white!

I live close to the Black Country - named as such because everywhere used to be black with the grime of heavy industry. No-one has yet called that out for being politically incorrect.

When will we stop allowing these idiots attempting to re-write history?
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CLKD

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Re: Political Correctness and Re-writing History
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2019, 10:13:59 AM »

When Councils realise that they have better thing to do?

Blackpool will be next ;-)

As one resident mentioned, pity that the Council don't spend the money that will be require to re-design the signs on potholes!
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Sparrow

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Re: Political Correctness and Re-writing History
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2019, 12:52:25 PM »

Everyone is frightened of upsetting others, to an extreme degree.

Becoming an anarchist seems very attractive sometimes.
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CLKD

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Re: Political Correctness and Re-writing History
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2019, 01:09:03 PM »

What's one of them  :-\  :D

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Pennyfarthing

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Re: Political Correctness and Re-writing History
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2019, 02:06:56 PM »

It's a load of stupid rubbish!  there is a pub around here called The Black Boy  and every so often people complain and try to get it renamed.  It is an old  coaching inn and has been called that for hundreds of years and refers to a dark skinned King or Prince whose name I can't recall just now.


PS just checked and it was King Charles II whose mother called him the black boy because of his dark complexion and hair. 
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CLKD

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Re: Political Correctness and Re-writing History
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2019, 02:29:54 PM »

 :thankyou:
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ElkWarning

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Re: Political Correctness and Re-writing History
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2019, 02:43:19 PM »

Well, it's not called 'Little white town', that's the welcome visitors encounter when they enter Bideford because it's written on the signs.  Plus, it's not exactly traditional or particularly historical, it was a description in a novel from 1855.  Given this, yeah, it sets the wrong tone, and the town might want its history back rather than this terrible slug line on its signs.

In terms of re-writing history, I find that interesting, mostly because I'm a trained historian.  People often seem to think 'racist memes' have roots stretching much further back into history than they do.  For example, black face morris - you know, the folks with sticks and bells.  It relatively recent.  It gained popularity round about the same time as the black and white minstrels and, with the best will in the world, they're racist.

I think the starting point here is trying to understand why and how people might be offended.  The why is easy.  Slavery (from which Britain profited massively) was a form of genocide.  Millions upon millions died.  All because the white man thought the black man was little better than a savage.  Another example, when the slave trade was banned, slave owners realised they wouldn't be able to import any more labour, and so they forcibly bred their women slaves.  Forcibly.  Like animals.  They did this because they had the power to do it.  Imagine if this was your history.  And this brings us on to the how.  There's such a thing called 'ancestral trauma'.  It's where the descendants and the survivors still feel it, because it was so awful, so indefensible, that it sort of defies closure.  It's triggering, in pretty much the same way as antisemitism triggers people these days.  Maybe they're oversensitive, but I wouldn't like to draw that conclusion because it's not me who's been subjected to the trauma.  If they're asking me to do x, y or z because it would make them, in their trauma, feel more comfortable, then I'm willing to listen to that.

Finally, as for rewriting history.  I live in Brighton.  If we were to accurately describe this town our signs would say 'Built off the back of slaves, profits from the plantations'.  Pretty sure none of us are demanding that kind of accuracy.
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Re: Political Correctness and Re-writing History
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2019, 03:00:00 PM »

Same with Bristol.  It is our history, rightly or wrongly.  We shouldn't be held accountable - slaves to our collective history - for what our ancestors did.  We can improve our lot by listening, however ....... man does't learn otherwise we wouldn't have wars.  That's about territory and all males are territorial. 

But wasting money on renaming places  >:(
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ElkWarning

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Re: Political Correctness and Re-writing History
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2019, 04:20:32 PM »

They could just take them down.  Sat nav would let most people know where they are.

And I agree, while we can't be held accountable for things we never did, we can try and understand where people's pains and difficulties come from.
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Sparrow

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Re: Political Correctness and Re-writing History
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2019, 04:30:36 PM »

Sorry I just don't get this.

How far do you take it back.  We have lots of place names that are Scandinavian.  Do we change those because we are upset by the Viking raids. Place names reflect our history and you can't erase it by changing names.  ??? I'm baffled.
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CLKD

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Re: Political Correctness and Re-writing History
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2019, 05:17:42 PM »

Would be menopausal have an impact on the being baffled ?

Sadly sat naps cause all kinds of problems.  If people haven't an idea of where they are actually headed to, lorries get stuck.  By following the sat nav  :beat:  if the roads look narrow or if there's grass down the middle of the lane then maybe  ;D

How far back would we need to go to say 'sorry' .........
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Sparrow

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Re: Political Correctness and Re-writing History
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2019, 05:19:57 PM »

Don't follow your 'sat nap', you may fall asleep at the wheel  ;D

We call ours 'crazy woman'.  Whoops, that probably not PC.  ::)
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Sparrow

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Re: Political Correctness and Re-writing History
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2019, 05:53:24 PM »

Bloody hell Elkwarning - thanks for the lecture!

 :-\ :-X
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Re: Political Correctness and Re-writing History
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2019, 06:55:34 PM »

Makes two of us  ;D

Each input is important. The written word is static  ;)

Some of us are more historically aware than others might be.  I was raised in The Fens, a place where Thomas Clarkson has a memorial and where the National Trust was born ........ because it was always there, it kind of went by me  ::).  Same as how our foods are produced and how much work goes into production.

We should begin travelling in our home towns  ;) and always look upwards.  Roofs and tiles can tell a lot about an area's wealth and history.  [rooves  :-\ ]
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ElkWarning

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Re: Political Correctness and Re-writing History
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2019, 07:08:16 PM »

Well you did ask what people thought ...

I was raised in Birmingham, and lived in Nigeria for a while.  Maybe I have a kind of slightly different view.

I'm also allergic to the term 'politically correct' because it suggests something is being done (thought, said) for all the wrong (and quite oversensitive) reasons.  Usually, it's aimed at people who are anti racist, anti sexist, etc.

I'm also slightly bemused at how this keeps coming back as 'part of our history', it's not part of our history, it's a phrase from a book that's appeared on some signs less than 20 years ago.  Bizarre.  I agree that we shouldn't 'whitewash' our history, but no one's even doing that.
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