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[juliemargaret]

On 3 pumps of estrogel and feel tired and lethargic and cant be bothered. Zero motivation. Zero most things.  Thought this was the feel good hormone.?!

[Dotty]

You might need more pumps of gel. x

[juliemargaret]

Oh god dotty...do you think? Thought id feel.good on this gel.alone.....actually banked on it. Felt ok last week whilst on holiday but at the moment and last few days zero desire to do much all. Pretty much same as i did before hrt. Wondered if i need to add the Progestetone....but then again want to find a balance on this.estro first if I can. Is 3 pumps not a lot Dotty? X

[Turkish delight]

I feel you with the can't be bothered and zero everything situ, but that's bcz I had to stop my hrt cold turkey 3 days ago due to a medical issue(in another thread)

I think four pumps is considered the highest dose, and 2 being the start dose, so your in the middle with 3. What regime are you on? What does your Doc advise?

TD

[Dotty]

I use 4 x

[juliemargaret]

Hi TD...im a newbie really..my regime was 2 pumps gel and alternate day utrogestan (vag) . ...teied this 3 half months...bled a lot and im.peri so also own cycle played in (my doc is fab but i taught her a thibg or 2 and had to tell her abt the gel and utrro. She also put me on a conti regime which i only realised through this group a few months in that was not right and i ideally shouldve been on a sequi)

I was ok....just ok...no change. Then stsrted to feel poo and VERY wiped out. Took the advice of this lovely group and upped gel to 3 pumps - 3 weeks now. No change really...just feel ok...bit the last few days wiped. Bladder awful too. Feel horrid. I decided to tru a sequi before i quit altogether...so stopped the utro..and was waiting for my period which i was convinced would come around 1st sept (hasnt yet altho ALL the signs) so that i could begin a 15 day countdown THEN add the dreaded progesterone back in and see how i got on a sequi. I wanted to try tying it in with my cycle and as ideal....but so far no period to do this! Been nearly 3 weeks gel only.....felt ok to start bit was on a holiday so bound to feel ok and no time to even notice but since home..boom...back to the bloody thing that i feel has consumed me since started 4 half months ago - the wondering and analysing and querying of its worked if the 3 pumps are good if the actual bloody gel is even any good as if it is i certainly arent getting the benefits! !  (Hoped gel only would at least give me a glimpse of renewed everything ha!)

So here i am. Frustrated and fed up and no mojo really. Moaned about this non stop...but also been respectfully patient and kind in the hope it found its groove so i could find mine. Alas!
Do i stop. As feel ive lost who i am even more and feel under the control of a gel that i dont know is working for me...or for me at all.

Sorry for rant!
Margaret x

Dotty - 4 pimps.....sorry pumps...i went to edit it but it made me laugh so left it....i do recall you saying. X

[juliemargaret]

Hi mcKay girl

No im.reluctant to increase also. And all bloods are okay....apparently. x

[juliemargaret]

Did you McKay girl?  When you say dreadful may i ask what you meant...what ways?  I take a vit d supplement also . The utrogestan....to begin with i felt so grounded....for want of another word....calm...then i think as i settled into the regime it went awry...low noods and fatigue and a general 'whats this hrt lark all about as i feel poo" ( not putting it down ladies - i know its not all bad and can be amazing - just airing my thoughts as they are/were)

Ive had so much support on here and wouldve caved.earlier only for these women - dotty, ladybt, hurdity and all the rest of you. As i said my gp is amazing honestly but i felt i needed to fjnd own feet once had what had to ask for (gel and utro) but i will go back asap and fill her in in what ive done since she prescribed. I was hopibg i just had usual.pmt....hence the embarrasing bladder and lethargy but no sign of my once reliable bleed. Then theres the worry of gel only and no progesterone to protect....although i know a few weeks be ok!  Reluctant to even start the utro...(know have to and will) but was just hoping  the gel alone for a little few weeks woukd balance and id feel good..rule that oit as a no no....so far nothing. How would i know if current 3 pumps is too much?!  Could that possibly be the culprit? Whilst on holiday i was fine...alive..sort of! Vut as i said holidays often do that to us dont they...keep us occupied and our minds and bodies busy - mine was a rather active one.

Are you on hrt at all now McKay girl?

[jennyr265]

Hi Jmargaret
I'm the same as you. I have been using 3 pumps since the end of July and feel very tired and just meh about everything. I started  on 2 pumps since mid April and had a blood test in July but my estradiol level was only 87 pmol/l which is very low so I have increased to 3 pumps but have seen no change really. I think i have an absorption issue.
I had a full set of blood tests in March and they were ok. My vit d is 77 which could be better but isn't that low. The only odd result was the P-ANCA test which was weak positive but the GP dismissed that as not a problem. But now I'm wondering!!
The only symptom I have had some relief from is the hip and lower back pain.
My biggest issue is recurrent colds - i am coming down with low level infections about once every three weeks- mouth ulcers, ear ache, itchy throat- all low level stuff but it's making me feel really rubbish.  I suffer with allergic rhinitis anyway which has also ramped up in menopause.
I'm sorry that I don't have any useful advice. It seems so hit and miss!

[juliemargaret]

Hi Jenny! Ohhh we sound so similar i feel.somewhat relieved its not just me and im not just imagining it!!

Im same.....feel meeeeh. Not had any bloods done  a while so im.going to ask my gp if she will get.some organised for me and before i stop hrt. I thought bloods were no good in determining estrogen etc? Maybe i need to  wisen up in this area and go get some bloods and see whats what. My hip has also eased....only realised when you mentioned yours! Yay..i have a little positive! I too suffer colds and stuff..more runny nose hayfever type but always sort of have BUT.....few weeks before hrt i started a training programme at gym and ate differently for a few weeks and noticed i didnt have any mucus or.wake up feeling i had a cold so can only gather was the food changes being the positive and now its all back as eating 'normal' again and started the hrt.

Also noticed the last few weeks since upping gel to 3 my lower tum is bloated. Cant all be a coincidence unless my body is just still busy with post holiday extravagnance! (spelling errror?)

How old are you may i ask and are you peri and do you take progesterone.?
Margaret x

[juliemargaret]

Hi again McKay girl - no i totally respect your views and beliefs. I dont feel liike that with the gel....feel calm.if you like but maybe to calm.to the point of tired!! I wake and feel i want to just go back to zzzz and this was one of the things that stsrted me on hrt journey....the overwhelming vacancy on waking and feeling overwhelmed before the day had even started.

Its a minefield isnt it and very personal choice i feel. I keep asking my inner voice to speak to me, to guide me and tell me what to do or what is needed  - ie- shall i come off it but so far its not talking to me or if it is im missing the signs. I dont know. Feel the last few months have been sort of swallowed up in this...and i had such high hopes i really did. I know it takes time. Im so grateful for this forum though.

[juliemargaret]

I know !! Dont know what to do for the best!! X

[EleanorB]

Hello,

Not sure if this is helpful but I used the gel and could barely get out of bed I was so fatigued. I gave it about a week then stopped. My sister uses it and swears by it, for me it was a disaster. I went with an evorel 5o patch (half to start then up to 3 quarters after a few months and no problems.) Due to migraine I wasn't taking progesterone but am now having a Mirena coil  put in.

My gp, for what it's worth said a meno specialist told her evorel 50 is one of the best tolerated forms of hrt.

[allie007]

Hiya, have you tried changing the times that you apply the gel?  I find that if I apply the gel in the morning my mood is horrendous all day and I'm really lethargic bit if I apply at night I'm fine all day. A lot of women are the opposite but thats what works me for some reason!x

[juliemargaret]

Hi Eleanor and Allie...you both share interesting info. Thank you. I shall see how go and hope things pick up once i add the progesterone.....if not then its back to the drawing board!!