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[Elmsey]

Morning Ladies!

What a morning! Let's not panic!

This is worth a read

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7409263/Yes-cancer-risks-Id-prescribe-HRT-writes-breast-surgeon-PROF-KEFAH-MOKBEL.html

W xx
That is an excellent sensible article!

[CLKD]

I haven't read all your responses but I stick to Quality of Life.  That bus might be along B4 breast cancer symptoms appear or another disease might carry us off!

No one has asked me and I had treatment in the 1990s.  I have never been checked since being discharged 3 years after surgery.  It wouldn't cross my mind not to take HRT if symptoms were so bad that I considered suicide.  I haven't read the articles : but have any followed actual patients, i.e. lifestyle, drink/drugs, obesity ........ or has this been done via medical records?  Also, what's the magic 10 years after stopping HRT ....... anyone who stops and begins HRT knows that sometimes symptoms return with a vengeance.  So if the hormone upheaval has settled within that 10 years so that a lady doesn't require treatment, what else would be triggering breast disease?

Cherry picking!  A Gynaecologist was interviewed on the BBC and I remember her saying "When a woman has been through the menopause she may require treatment" .........    it was someone that the BBC had got hold of, rather than asking a professional who is dealing with menopause as their job ...........

[Dierdre]

Does this research also include local HRT for atrophy?

After reading the results I'm more concerned now about the 8% for obesity and drinking.

[westie]

Response from Louise Newson in this morning's Telegraph

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/doctor-menopause-specialist-sticking-hrt/amp/

It concerns me ( and makes me quite mad actually) that the many benefits of HRT which can literally save lives, never seem to make the headlines.

W

[Foxylady]

Good point Countrygirl! Westie  & CLKD I agree, quality of life for me is what's important after 3+ horrendous yrs of symptoms/torture. I'm aware of the risks & did due diligence before starting HRT also doing things to reduce my risk ie weight loss, change of diet, increased exercise etc. x

[Bobidy]

Hi, lots of counter-argument stuff on Dr Newson's website this morning:

https://www.menopausedoctor.co.uk/news

On the plus side this has given some much needed prime time national coverage about meno and hrt which might kick off some further debate higher up for better women's health care and gp training (we can but hope). X

[Wrensong]

Dierdre - I believe the meta-analysis reported yesterday found that topical use (Vagifem/Estriol/Ovestin) seems to carry no additional BC risk.

[orrla]

Absolurely!

To everyone's horror, I bang on Menopause daily, whenever I remember, ever since I learnt what a taboo it is.

It makes me mad still that I walked on it without a clue what to expect.

If I knew I would plan for it!

It cost me over 10 years of earnings, most relationships, and a lifestyle that was impossible to continue with all the shitty symptoms that I had, with no understanding from anyone around.

Past week's articles in the Guardian were posted by me everywhere!

Because it was that reluctance to talk about it, that shame that is still attached to Meno, that did all that.

3/4 of what I got did not have to be! Medical aside, various people's attitudes make things far far worse.

So yes, it is good that there it was so much info on front pages. By the way, I wish they stopped listing that vaginal dryness not all have but provokes stupid jokes, and low libido (mine went through the roof), but otherwise many many good points were made, including about work.

I remember very well how I wished I could work flexible hours, or work from home, ... as Labour market and Meno are not compatible still at all...

...and women are underinformed, GPs too, and all is in its infancy still, so I can't get it why on earth anyone wanted to publish on the front pages of the major press such a scare title yesterday?!!?

..some fight between pro-choicers and pro-lifers, like with abortion.. with women caught up in between..?!?

[Callisto]

Brilliant points made Orrla,

I too would've altered my last decade had I known what was going to come...but sigh, there is no point in me regretting..
 To focus upon work and the effect that menopause has on that- a serious point.

I thought I would skit off from your post and open a new thread on this subject...
🐾C

[orrla]

Thanks, Callisto!

Meno and Work is only mentioned recently, since that Meno week BBC 4 Women's Hour did two years ago...

It needs to be talked about, for, completely different are experiences of housewife living with high earner loving husband and that of single women earning for her living. 

I wish women themselves understood this! ... and stop telling me that they sailed through it.. and Black Cohosh helped them!

Even if my vagina was dry this would be my least concern.

My pension was greatest!

[Sparrow]

Thanks, Callisto!

Meno and Work is only mentioned recently, since that Meno week BBC 4 Women's Hour did two years ago...

It needs to be talked about, for, completely different are experiences of housewife living with high earner loving husband and that of single women earning for her living. 

I wish women themselves understood this! ... and stop telling me that they sailed through it.. and Black Cohosh helped them!

Even if my vagina was dry this would be my least concern.

My pension was greatest!

Here we go again 

There are many women who CAN'T or just don't want to take HRT.  Please don't criticise them for using Alternatives.

I was once told on this very forum that 'you can't possibly have suffered or you would have used HRT'

Well excuse me nobody has the right to judge others meno journey. 

[Dierdre]

Thanks Wrensong, just need to loose weight and stop drinking then as this seems to be more risky than HRT.

[Sickntired]

Havnt time to read all of this as at work, min wage, heavy lifting,  long hours on my feet.  Depression in the morning if i dont run, harder if i do, as tired quicker.  Like a zombie at night unless i rely on a cocktail of vit B,  ginseng and co enzyme q10.  All in a day.  Stopped hrt yesterday thanks to all the press.  Was told originally it was safe after years of it being incorrectly being viewed as unsafe. Now its unsafe again.  All the people i know who have had cancer , have died. I have no option but to stop , although both female realtives had heart conditions.  Would be as well playing Russia roulette.   Think all the talk of "lets talk about menopause" is lipservice. It always involves employers being told i need rest rooms and fans etc.  A fat lot of use on a long shift when fatigue is your biggest problem. Yes i agree with one comment , its all about bloody vaginal dryness. Who cares, some of us have to work to 67 in limited jobs because we cant think well enough with un effective medication,  to be able to even get training or study (anymore). No wonder we are depressed,  its a vicious cycle.  And what do they hand you? A little card to find Menopause matters website where "all your questions will be answered " because as a doctor, i havnt the time/energy/enthusiasm or knowledge to answer. So all go chat n cry n moan to each other which helps none of us  ut at least youre all in one place where youre seen and not heard til its time to go to work.   Yes im pissed off.  Ive written on this column because i wanted to truly express my empathy to the originator of this discussion (and others who echo it)  im sorry but its way more than hot flushes and much needs to be changed in the wzy its being "talked about" 😡

[orrla]

..where exactly did you see a judgement?

[Sparrow]

..where exactly did you see a judgement?

Mocking use of Alternatives. That's not no.