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[westie]

Morning Ladies!

What a morning! Let's not panic!

This is worth a read

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7409263/Yes-cancer-risks-Id-prescribe-HRT-writes-breast-surgeon-PROF-KEFAH-MOKBEL.html

W xx

[dahliagirl]

I just heard it on the news too, 6 in 100 will get it with no treatment, but that goes up to 8 in 100 if hrt is taken for up to 5 years.

I don't know if it's just me thinking it as I am one of those untrusting people, but I find the timing of this report being released a little unnerving  x

Tracey E I thought that, but also what about taking birth control pills as they are stronger than hrt x

The BBC news one
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49508671

Yeah I was on the pill all my life so little hope for me..

Me too.  I lived through many cancer scares of all sorts, starting with the one where it gave you all female cancers, and you needed a full internal before you could take it  (it actually protects against some of them now  )

[dahliagirl]

While this publication provides important information, limitations do exist in relation to types of studies reviewed (with 43,022 cases from the much criticised Million Women study), and absence of data on mortality associated with breast cancer; previously reported randomised trials showing no significant difference in cancer deaths from women who took HRT compared to placebo.

From Dr Currie's reply.

It sounds like the Million Women Study skews results, as it was such a large study.  It was an self-selected observational study which found correlations that require further study, rather than any cause and effect (which would need a series of proper random control trials to get any where near to proving).

I think that the MWS was Valerie beral's life work and she is going to promote it for ever.

[Perinowpost]

Good article Westie, puts it in perspective x

[westie]

This is a response to today's report from Dr Louise Newson

https://www.menopausedoctor.co.uk/news/sensationalised-report-on-increased-breast-cancer-risk-concentrates-on-older-hrt-ignores-proven-benefits

W xx

[Jeana1]

Hi Ladies

I know you can't reassure me because the study is the study but my health anxiety is going through the roof! I take Estrogel 3 umps and have a Mirena coil. I've have a Mirena for years due to heavy periods then started the Estrogel 18 months ago to help with my awful anxiety and low mood, the HRT has really helped my anxiety, I cant take AD's as had a really bad reaction to the ones I tried so going back on them is not an option for me.

I'm so scared about this new study I just don't know what to do.

I am 54 and have had a terrible time the last coupe of years and just cant face going back into hell if I stop the HRT. My husband says to discuss it with my Gynecologist when I see him next month.

I am not overweight, I don't drink and I stopped smoking 3 years ago although I do still smoke a vape.

Do you all think we should stop using it?

Jeana

[MicheleMaBelle]

Professor Studds comments taken from the online version of The Times

Transdermal oestrogens ,  gels patches or implants with minimal progesterone (not synthetic progestogen ) is very safe and beneficial
Be careful of these controversial studies announced at a press conference on Wednesday , embargoed until publication on the Friday. It then becomes front page news before the scientific community have been able to study the complex data The same Oxford group played the same trick 10 years ago with their flawed Million Women Study and the discredited and harmful WHI study

[Wrensong]

Thank you for posting the links Emma & Westie.  The breast surgeon's views are pretty much those I have encountered in past discussion with other breast health professionals, including 3 oncoplastic surgeons.

[Jeana1]

Professor Studds comments taken from the online version of The Times

Transdermal oestrogens ,  gels patches or implants with minimal progesterone (not synthetic progestogen ) is very safe and beneficial
Be careful of these controversial studies announced at a press conference on Wednesday , embargoed until publication on the Friday. It then becomes front page news before the scientific community have been able to study the complex data The same Oxford group played the same trick 10 years ago with their flawed Million Women Study and the discredited and harmful WHI study

Does this mean that the Mirena and Estrogel combo is a higher risk?

[Callisto]

A snapshot of a randomised 'general public' response in the form of my husband who earlier sauntered through in dressing gown and remarked,

'they're talking about progesterone on the radio and it sounds very serious, they say it increases the chance of breast cancer by 50%. They sound like they know what they're talking about.'

Once again HRT studies hit the news, the headlines shock, shudder and have a direct deleterious affect on societies' perception of HRT losing sight of all the proven positives it has on womens' health, well being and quality of life.
🐾C

[Dotty]

Jeana1...I don't think so because the amount of progesterone in the Mirena is minimal x

[orrla]

I wish they've made their mind up!

One day hrt is the only thing, the other it causes cancer!

...enough to give us serious flash!

To me this article was that journalist's opinion!

The research itself starts from a statement:

Published findings on breast cancer risk associated with different types of menopausal hormone therapy (MHT) are inconsistent, with limited information on long-term effects. '. 

So why such a headline?!!  ...

This is an analysis of published between 1992-2019 (?) articles!
This is not a new research! ..just a mince of what was said so far, and we all know well how much rubbish was said to date.

It's like being back to dark ages, though!

Scandalous treatment of older women, that's all.

[Tinkerbell]

Your risk of BC is still higher than HRT if you are overweight or drink alcohol, i will keep taking the HRT as long as i can still get my hands on it!

[Jeana1]

Jeana1...I don't think so because the amount of progesterone in the Mirena is minimal x

Hi Dotty

I am maybe over panicking but my anxiety is through the roof!! I just can't get my head around it all, I've read the paper on it but still don't really understand the increased risk, is it 2 extra women is it 10 is it more!!! It's complicated 

[Jeana1]

Your risk of BC is still higher than HRT if you are overweight or drink alcohol, i will keep taking the HRT as long as i can still get my hands on it!

This made me feel a bit calmer...............thank you