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[EnglishRose]

Sounds a bit hysterical I know lol
But I'm tired of the depression and physical symptoms that increase with my own hormonal fluctuations.

Does HRT take over your own hormones? Is that the idea?

If not, then I want out of this rollercoaster BS. My quality of life these last two half months is pants.

I just want it to stop now please. I've done a decade of perimenopause and I don't want years of what ever the hell im going through now.. because it put peri in the shade,,,peri was a breeze in comparison... give me back the flushes, night sweats, palpitations (which I still have !)  pre period insomnia..
I can live with those,..I can't live with severe depression and back ache restless legs and like every nerve in my fanny is alive all of which imcrease with intensity the closer I get to my TWO periods a month.

It's been a bad evening I'm afraid following almost two weeks of calmer seas.. it knocks your confidence.

[CLKD]

Hormone Replacement Therapy - if treatment is required by the body it helps.  If not the body probably doesn't need it.  Yet.

Hysterectomy won't help.  Following surgery a lady will require some form of HRT which can be more hit and miss than trailing it whilst the womb is intact.

Restless legs can be eased by eating bananas and foods with potassium.  For me as an aside I found that my restless legs were cured within 5 days  when I added bananas daily to my diet.  For years, I never suffered.  Then I got fed up with bananas  and found that 2 Nurofen at night stopped the feelings. 

I forget how ill I can feel when I'm in a better spell  .  Are you eating correctly?

[Ladybt28]

Yes a bad evening can knock you off your stride RoseEnglish but I would say you have sounded better when you have been posting so take it from me something is working.  You just have to keep going and carry on.  There are definitely those on this forum who will drive you away from drastic stuff like hysterectomy or anything like it - check out some of the surgical posts, that is definitely not the answer and can often be worse. Unfortunately there is no quick fix - persistence is the key, minimum 3 months and very often more likely 6-9 before you can get really on top of it - sorry to be the bearer of bad news. 

I found the forum the best place I could be because all the ladies kept me (keep me) on the straight and narrow!  Its a bit like form of therapy meetings for hormonal women - when I thought I would go completely off my head and do something drastic or jack in trying - they all put me back on the right path!  Stick with us - its all happening here so you are now alone!

[Hurdity]

Hi EnglishRose - I replied to this earlier but it was one of the posts that got deleted during the forum back-up. You might have read it? I'll try to redo it!

There was a forum thread recently about this issue – hysterectomy as a way of dealing with extreme pms and hormonal fluctuations – here: https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,42054.0.html

One way of stopping hormonal fluctuations is through the pill – the two like HRT called QLAIRA and ZOELY. The oestrogen is the same as HRT. Qlaira only has two tablet free days and progestogen for 17-18 days with different doses of oestrogen throughout the cycle – but not so extreme as your natural cycle. Usual cut-off age is 50 but there may be flexibility if you have no risk factors for stroke or cardio-vascular problems – eg high BP, overweight, high cholesterol etc If you lead healthy lifestyle re diet and exercise, alcohol etc you might be allowed if over 50.

The other way is by taking high oestrogen a la Studd – which will suppress the cycle after a few cycles again maintaining high levels of oestrogen while preventing ovulation. You would need to see a specialist for this though as GPs will not be familiar with this approach.

Hurdity x

[EnglishRose]

Hi EnglishRose - I replied to this earlier but it was one of the posts that got deleted during the forum back-up. You might have read it? I'll try to redo it!

There was a forum thread recently about this issue – hysterectomy as a way of dealing with extreme pms and hormonal fluctuations – here: https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,42054.0.html

One way of stopping hormonal fluctuations is through the pill – the two like HRT called QLAIRA and ZOELY. The oestrogen is the same as HRT. Qlaira only has two tablet free days and progestogen for 17-18 days with different doses of oestrogen throughout the cycle – but not so extreme as your natural cycle. Usual cut-off age is 50 but there may be flexibility if you have no risk factors for stroke or cardio-vascular problems – eg high BP, overweight, high cholesterol etc If you lead healthy lifestyle re diet and exercise, alcohol etc you might be allowed if over 50.

The other way is by taking high oestrogen a la Studd – which will suppress the cycle after a few cycles again maintaining high levels of oestrogen while preventing ovulation. You would need to see a specialist for this though as GPs will not be familiar with this approach.

Hurdity x

Thanks Hurdity

I am under a menopause doctor and I am seeing her Monday. I am going to mention your advice in particular high oestroen bc I have had 2 periods ome week apart and I am about to start another! They start to die down to spotting then it starts all over again.
i am already on 4 pumps of Oestrogel and feel I could go to 6 pumps without issue.

Ive been on progesterone only (as you know) for years and years and my Oestrogen is low. I think I need high doses of Oestrogen to get my levels back up ASAP as I am sleeping such a lot and my VA symptoms are still bad despite daily vagifem for 2 months (I got a nice break but they came back)

I am going to ask if i can do something to get my oestrogen levels up faster. Thank you xx

[CLKD]

 . forum back up - who did that then  ..... a bit of warning would be lovely.

Oestrogen levels drop off at peri  - which can introduce problems with laxity of muscles = aches and pains as well as flushes, VA etc. 

R U taking a list with you ER?  Let us know how you get on.

[EnglishRose]

Yes a bad evening can knock you off your stride RoseEnglish but I would say you have sounded better when you have been posting so take it from me something is working.  You just have to keep going and carry on.  There are definitely those on this forum who will drive you away from drastic stuff like hysterectomy or anything like it - check out some of the surgical posts, that is definitely not the answer and can often be worse. Unfortunately there is no quick fix - persistence is the key, minimum 3 months and very often more likely 6-9 before you can get really on top of it - sorry to be the bearer of bad news. 

I found the forum the best place I could be because all the ladies kept me (keep me) on the straight and narrow!  Its a bit like form of therapy meetings for hormonal women - when I thought I would go completely off my head and do something drastic or jack in trying - they all put me back on the right path!  Stick with us - its all happening here so you are now alone!

This post was written the week before my period started on the 21st. The problem is my periods are all over the place, one week later when we came home I started again! Seven days I bled and I am still spotting and my boobs are huge I think I am building up to a third period

Its not so bad if its once a month and you know when its due as then you can make sense of your moods but when they happen randomly its hard to rationalise your thoughts until you start to bleed and THEN you look back and think "aaahhh!"

I would dearly love my periods to stop now. Some women get months between mine are every closer together