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[Charys]

I'm sorry I'm double posting bits of info because no one replied to my other posts yet and I'm concerned (sorry)

 I'll bullet point

I feel I'm due to start period have PMs symptoms. Been crying anxious and depressed today and day before last. Increased appetite, spots, huge sore boobs sleep disturbances (my pms flavours)
My weird hypersensitive shivery spine buttocks and legs are terrible today it's like when my mood is low these new symptoms are worse which I guess means these new symptoms are linked to hormonal fluctuations
I feel so bad physically and mentally today.
Not had period since started Oestrogel 7 Nov. Last period 11 Oct. I'm long overdue,

Started with Vagifem 4 weeks ago
Decide to alternate with Estriol to reach the outside too a week ago.
Estriol makes me ache initially but today stinging and making me wanting to pee (never had that before)

Been examined yesterday by gynaecologist whose told me I have sensitive area to front wall of vagina where bladder is. Says I tick all the boxes for IC
Never had UTI or cystitis before.

Questions

Is it possible estriol is irritating me? I don't recall Vagifem giving me this much problem. Certainly no increased peeing. Just drank tall Glass water had to pee 4 times in an hour,, but I've had increased peeing before period before but not with the stinging I'm getting internally when I go.

Is it possible HRT is irritating my VA in the sense that the discomfort is part of the heaing?

I'm so worried oestrogel is making my physical symptoms worse. I'd feel so much better if I started my period but no clue if that's actually going to happen since starting Oestrogel

I'm up and down from 2 pumps to 3 then back to 2 then back up to 2 and half pumps..I know that's not good it's just the symptoms are all over the place this week I'm trying to find stability.

I'm worried it's all making my symptoms worse not better and I'm so sick alresdy with the physical symptoms.

Sorry in advance

...and one more ! NO idea what 'pattern' you mean here, but it sounds like someone totally miserable and confused to me.

[Conolly]

Hello CLKD,

She begins her post saying ‘I'm going to see my doctor and discuss a new AD'. That sounds very reasonable to me.

How many times ladies have posted asking for information and support BEFORE going to see their doctors so they can be fully prepared to have a useful appointment?

How many GP's are well informed about menopausal depression?

Emotions run high at this stage of our lives, a bit of sensitivity and compassion is welcomed.

Conolly X

[CLKD]

Thanks girls for the updates. However, I feel that this member needs professional support as per her continual opening of new threads.

hours and hours reading online looking for hope    -    which is why I made the suggestion to discuss with her GP.    Although she suggests that she will be going to her GP, thus far she hasn't told us if she did so with any of her other issues.

Do you know what she hoped to achieve by opening new threads: I and others have offered advice in response to her various health worries, also pointing out the possible laxity of muscles as oestrogen levels drop off, how the body may become dry ......... but she hasn't appeared to take on board anything that is suggested, simply opening more and more threads 

I haven't found any of her threads in the last 2/3 weeks that didn't get a response 

[Charys]

Yes, she does talk about seeing other medics....like here for example....on 27th (2 days ago)

SORRY ITS LONG... 😔

I went to see an nhs gynaecologist urologist today (more of this later) following a referral from my doctor when I started having unusual sexual sensations vaginally on the 1 Oct, they lasted about 3 weeks.. then it turned to pain in and arid the vagina, nothing major.

 I managed to find an experienced women's Physio Therapist who was familiar with trigger points (testing) for the pundendal nerve. After her examination she said my pelvis had good tone and bulk and no pudendal compression could be found as I did not feel pain or tingling etc when she pushed down on the nerve.
She wrote to my gynaecologist suggesting we had an mri scan to rule out tarlov cycsts to the base of my spine which may be putting pressure on the pudendal nerve. Hence my appt today.

Its a very long post, so won't repeat it all here. She has also made some excellent replies to other forum users, on their threads.

Why so judgemental CLKD ? WHy not just let someone talk, have an outlet and post threads if they want to. Thats their choice, there aren't forum rules being trangressed I'm sure. I'm saying nothing more on this as I'm new here, but found it so sad to see someone pushed away at their time of need. There is even a thread on here where you talk with her, and she shares, about anxiety and panic and people being judgmental!

[CLKD]

Tnx.

[Conolly]

CLKD,

As you may well know, this is all very normal when one is dealing with mental health issues. No one is here to judge, sometimes all that's needed is to get feelings off one's chest and that's what friends and forums are for.


You have just sent her to a darker place and that's not really helpful.


Only my 2pence, no personal issues.


Conolly X

[Misstowers]

Ditto what Kathleen says Roseenglish, I empathise and hope you can find something to help you. You should certainly keep reaching out here and I'm sure you'll get lots of support, and also does your partner know what's going on? Hopefully you can lean on them tooxxxx

[SueLW]

I would like to suggest that this thread stops bashing CLKD.  She didn't say anything particularly judgemental and she has been discussing this situation with RoseEnglish for weeks, trying to help.  She doesn't deserve everyone jumping on her!

RoseEnglish has both menopausal and probably mental health issues that are feeding off one another.  Lots of suggestions have been given over time, there isn't anything else we can do.  She goes up and down, as we all do with this hormone roller coaster, but her ups and downs are more severe.  It's a horrible place to be.  Yet she spends hours making herself feel worse in bed on the internet on her own despite being told that's the worst thing.  She has admitted that she feels much better out of the house, with her dogs or around other people.  But then sinks back down into bed again.  That needs a GP's help and probably a different AD. 

Her reaction to CLKD in this post wasn't very good and then you all piled in on top.  CLKD is a regular and well liked contributor here, we shouldn't be making her feel bad.

This all got blown up out of proportion right from RoseEnglish's response.  Time to stop it now.  We can all get on with each other if we refrain from forming sides.

[Conolly]

Hello SueLW,

I would like to suggest that this thread stops bashing CLKD.  She didn't say anything particularly judgemental and she has been discussing this situation with RoseEnglish for weeks, trying to help.  She doesn't deserve everyone jumping on her!

There's no bashing or jumping on CLKD... now you are overreacting.

RoseEnglish has both menopausal and probably mental health issues that are feeding off one another.  Lots of suggestions have been given over time, there isn't anything else we can do.  She goes up and down, as we all do with this hormone roller coaster, but her ups and downs are more severe.  It's a horrible place to be.  Yet she spends hours making herself feel worse in bed on the internet on her own despite being told that's the worst thing.  She has admitted that she feels much better out of the house, with her dogs or around other people.  But then sinks back down into bed again.  That needs a GP's help and probably a different AD.

There isn't anything else we can do? Speak for yourself. I think everyday a new member is allowed on this forum, so who knows who can do what...
Regarding the need of GP's help and probably a new AD, that's exactly how the OP starts her post.

Her reaction to CLKD in this post wasn't very good and then you all piled in on top.  CLKD is a regular and well liked contributor here, we shouldn't be making her feel bad.

The same is true regarding CLKD's reaction to Roseenglish's post. The fact that CLKD is a regular contributor is beside the point being discussed. She has also made Roseenglish feel bad, that's what's being discussed.

This all got blown up out of proportion right from RoseEnglish's response.  Time to stop it now.  We can all get on with each other if we refrain from forming sides.

Now it's Roseenglish's fault? I'm not forming sides, just trying to understand why someone who is constantly saying that GP's need a    has just sent a fellow depression sufferer to seek GP help and also said we are not here to offer diagnosis when the OP has never asked for that.
'Time to stop it now' sounds very authoritative to me. Same as 'No one here can diagnose.  You need to see your GP'


Conolly X

[Charys]

Well said Conolly.

Hi Sue, I've certainly taken a side on this and I think many other responders have too - the reason people are all responding as they do on this thread is because the response by CLKD was clearly insensitive and dismissive. Maybe, and I accept this, CLKD didn't intend for it to be that way and had her own logical reasons - but that is how it came across, and had the effect it had. It was a short harsh response, and insensitive to a woman who is struggling day by day to get through and paid no reference to the actual things she said:

The OP SAID SHE WAS GOING TO HER GP, she WAS NOT ASKING FOR A DIAGNOSIS she was discussing her feelings and thoughts - thats all. She had a right to do that. So saying 'go to your gp we can't diagnose' was not relevant, it shut her down and devalued her thoughts being shared. There are WAYS of saying things and this was not the way. I have felt exactly the same way myself which is why it resonates with me so strongly; I left the forum a few weeks ago based on similar 'harsh' responses where I felt dismissed and unwelcome (same poster) at what felt my lowest point, but returned. I wanted to reply in the same way as RoseEnglish did, so I am not surprised she reacted as she did. I think if CLKD has just apologised, rather than justify, then this would have moved on. I know CLDK tries to help everyone and offers much support (and I honestly do intend no hard feelings), but mental health issues are abundant here sadly and sometimes strongly worded short responses without verbal 'softeners' can really affect the reader.

I think I will take a break here myself to be honest, from posting. Best wishes to all. x

[Blot]

Please come back Roseenglish. You have been a great support to me and hopefully you can get more support from others and myself on here. I'm sure many of us have been in your position, I've done the same myself spending hours researching etc and know what it feels like to be in that hole. It helps so much to be able to get other perspectives and experiences so don't go.

[mabel64]

Roseenglish if you are reading please just let us know how you are doing,even if you feel you dont want to rejoin tbe forum. I would just like some reasurance that you are ok as I know how it feels to be in such a fragile state of mind.

[Gangan]

I have reported this thread to Emma the moderator and hope things can be resolved without further disagreement.

People have been hurt in the past on this forum when threads get out of hand.

Gangan X

[CLKD]

Who would I apologist too, this Member is a guest.  Tnx for the support I have had on here and via PMs.  Members leave.  Personal choices.

[Gangan]

This member is a guest as of yesterday CKLD don't pour more petrol on the fire and be glib.
I hope Emma can resolve this.

Gangan