Aw thanks everyone. I love this forum. I've been so miserable, having to face more surgery on Wednesday and the bladder thing, it really makes me feel like people care, and more importantly, know how you feel. I live in Australia, and to wake up to these responses this morning makes me feel like I've got friends that are concerned for me. I will try that herbal tea, although, being born in Scotland, I must admit, I love my cups of real tea! I only drink it in the early morning though. Never the rest of the day. Just don't enjoy it the same as in the morning. I will try it , and also hope the vagifem kicks in, it did before, so surely it will again? . Thanks again. So much appreciated . 😀