Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[jillydoll]

Just to say Andiekc.

I loved it, didn't read anything else into it,
just read it as it was, brilliant.....
Keep em coming girl....lol

Jd x

[Shadyglade]

Regarding 'mindfulness', I have found this particularly helpful.  Recently bought Ruby Wax's 'How to be Human' which is excellent.  Read it in one go or dip in and out plus mindfulness exercises. Very good.

Darwins theory was that survival is not conditional on fitness or intelligence but on the ability to adapt. So calling the meno the change seems apt.

[Kathleen]

Hello again ladies.

Talking of nature I realise that lots of women living into very old age and a long way past the menopause is a modern development but great old age, though less common, was also achievable in the past. How many of us remember grannies who had lived long lives without vaccinations, antibiotics, painkillers for childbirth, the list goes on. When my own grandmother died at eighty three she wasn't on any medication at all.

I recall watching a programme about a family in medieval England and because the older woman owned property, which was unusual at the time, her death at sixty one was officially recorded. I wonder how many other women lived as long or longer but without surviving  written evidence we will never know.  Also on  YouTube I found a film made in the late1800s featuring a  large group of very elderly men and women who all appeared to be in good health, they were certainly very lively for the camera. It is an American film and one of the first made but when I was watching it I wasn't thinking about the technology but wondering how so many people had survived into their nineties without any intervention from modern science. Obviously not everyone is so lucky and I'm sure many of us owe our lives to anti biotics etc but perhaps our potential life span has always been longer than we believed, we just don't have sufficient evidence to prove it.

Conolly - I think it would be amazing if your friend could discover how the women in the Amazon experience the menopause and it would provide a unique insight into the biology of older women.

Got a bit carried away there ladies, sorry about that but I do find the subject interesting as you can tell lol.

Wishing you all well.

K.



 

[CLKD]

        

Because I wasn't aware of menopause as such when my Grans died, both in their mid-80s, I had no idea how they [WTF!] gooier plots for years, [have no idea what that was about  and can't remember]: they grew fresh fruits, veg. all in season; exercise was essential even into the 1970s.  1 car only so we walked or cycled.  One Gran fed us creamed milk from Guernsey cows, I couldn't face it now but growing up I couldn't get enough of it.  Everything was fresh, she had a tiled floor in the pantry and a small fridge, everything stood in buckets of cold water on the floor - buckets were changed regularly, how did she have time  by getting up at 5.00 a.m. every morning that's how.  In fact, both Grannies had cold stone floors with buckets ......... tin plates too ..........  Also, no eating in-between meals other than an ice-cream treat on a hot day.   

I have always subscribed to the thought that humans are their own worst enemies in that we no longer live how we are designed to live: getting up at dawn and going to bed at dusk.  Grazing and fasting.  Using up energy in small amounts when searching for food.  No demands other than survival, i.e. getting enough to eat, keeping safe and finding a cave in which to keep warm.  In Castleton is a cave where they made rope, whole families living down there ......... hardly emerging other than for necessities.  Kids started helping in the rope making process at an early age. Damp.  Cold.  No Social Services then!

Also: the female body is a bad design.  Who would put all those orifices close together to pass germs around  ........ and make the nasal passages, eyes etc. joined up so that they get congested ........... and why are my toe nails so far from my hands, how is One supposed to cut them!

I also know as another aside, that since retirement I have slept much better by not having to listen out with half an ear for the alarm clock.  Being able to wake and not worry about getting 'enough' sleep ........ going back to sleep and waking when the body is ready which is about 2 hours after our alarm would ring. 

[Shadyglade]

I think you are right CLKD. The more you do the more you can do. Sitting around certainly makes me sluggish.

Use it or loss, as they say.

[CLKD]

I should take my own advice though  ......... in this heat I can hardly move until late at night and DH doesn't want a walk then 

[Shadyglade]

The toenail thing  . I often pull a muscle trying to cut mine.

[Mary G]

Definitely a design fault in my opinion but the good news is that you can replace oestrogen easily and bypass the symptoms. 

A better design would be for oestrogen to drop sufficiently to ensure that women are no longer fertile and free of periods but enough oestrogen is still produced to support the vital bodily functions that depend on it.  The problem is that oestrogen drops far too low post menopause. 

[Shadyglade]

My main difficulty was with peri. The fluctuations really did for me. If hormones could reduce slow at a steady rate, that would be much better.

[Conolly]

Me too, Shadyglade. I thought I was going to pop my clogs.


Ha, ha. Now I'm having a laugh. I hope Evolution (what should we call it? Doctor Evolution?) is reading your suggestions, ladies. It would be so great to return to this planet (or any planet, lol) with a better designed body. My father used to say that the mouth could NEVER be placed under the nose and that the eyes should be in our fingertips 


Conolly X

[CLKD]

OUCH though - when playing an instrument, that would hurt 

[wombat62]

Great post, certainly a good description and made me smile!

I think Mary G has the answer, if our bodies could just produce that 50mg of oestrogen (as in the patch!) everything would be fine!

However, nature does compensate with a fat belly once the ovaries have packed up.....see nature is evil and you just can't win!

We may find in years to come that nature will catch up with longevity and our life styles but it's probably still moving way too quickly for that to happen for another couple of generations?

[Shadyglade]

Wow, Wombat, thank you.  I now have a reason to stop trying to diet my 'fat belly' away.

Phew.

[Conolly]

Hello ladies,


I have posted this link on CLKD's thread Body Natural and I thought I could also post it here, because I find this article the best one so far that explores menopause symptoms in terms of Evolution.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3433273/


I hope you don't mind, AndieKC, I really think the subject that your lighthearted post has raised is a great topic for discussion.


Conolly X

[Hurdity]

Darwins theory was that survival is not conditional on fitness or intelligence but on the ability to adapt. So calling the meno the change seems apt.

The theory of evolution is the survival of the fittest - in every sense. Those organisms/individuals survive (to reproduce) that are best suited (best fit - ie genetic fitness - to their environment. An individual may or may not adapt but overall if there are individuals with sufficient genetic variation that thrives better eg in a different environment then these individuals will be more likely to survive an reproduce - hence adaptation.

Yes it's all very interesting - don't get the topic moved AndieKC - lots of us would never have seen it if you'd posted in Humour or elsewhere - I mainly only look at a couple of the "boards" and I think lots of us are the same!

Hurdity x