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margaret

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Vitamin d
« on: October 21, 2017, 01:10:12 PM »

Hi, has anyone suffered from low vitamin D, if so what are the symptoms please x :)
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Dancinggirl

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2017, 01:32:11 PM »

Hi Margaret
If you look on nhs website it should give the typical symptoms that indicate low vitamin D. Generally it is fatigue, low mood, aching joints, lowered immunity. It is vital for the absorption of calcium as well.
My brother-in-law ( consultant gastroenterologist) told me that it is now advised that most should take Vit D during winter months and even year round if we don't get 20mins if sunshine every day. Some oily fish contain vitamin d but it difficult to maintain good levels these days and many people are deficient. DG x
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margaret

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2017, 02:51:28 PM »

Thank you for your reply, I've been feeling tired since I had kidney stones back in May, but I've got muscle aches and feel a bit lightheaded, I went to the doctors on Thursday and she's going to check my vitamin D levels, all the other blood tests came back ok, I have to wait until the 2nd of November to have the blood test, first appointment I could get xxx
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CLKD

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2017, 03:44:44 PM »

I felt very tired.  Weepy.  Lacked energy.  Get up and go had got up and disappeared  ::).  I would do some weeding for 20 mins. and then sit for 2 hours.

Mum was complaining of similar all year and eventually her GP did blood tests which showed low VitD levels - as did my tests last week.  Appropriate supplements prescribed for 3 months.  Some are daily, others twice a week.

One cannot get enough VitD from what we eat we have to be out in the sun with arms/legs bare ............
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dazned

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2017, 04:00:19 PM »

Due to the UK position nearly all of us are deficient in Vit D,especially as we put on sunscreen lotion nowadays. As CLKD says you can't really get this vitamin from foods so I guess we need to take additional supplements...... Or we could move to sunnier destinations,now there's a thought !😉
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margaret

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2017, 04:32:51 PM »

Thank you for your replies ladies.  CLKD did you find you were mentally tired as well, I can't think straight I can go for my shopping and feel hot and dizzy at times and can't concentrate xx ::)
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bramble

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2017, 05:23:11 PM »

When I had my vit d levels tested last year they were 'undetectable'. I had no proper symptoms. Had to take a high strength tablet for 7 weeks.
Bramble
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Cassie

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2017, 07:17:21 PM »

My friends GP told her that the only way to get enough Vit D was to sit in the sun for 15 mins daily when possible with all areas exposed except ones face and lady bits.... ;D
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Hurdity

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2017, 07:51:30 PM »

We are not all likely to be deficient in vitamin D due to our latitudinal position. We have lived for years without supplements and have evolved to survive happily at different latitudes, and can get plenty of vitamin D mainly from the sun according to our skin type.

Here is what it says on NHS website:

•   Most people can make enough vitamin D from being out in the sun daily for short periods with their forearms, hands or lower legs uncovered and without sunscreen from late March or early April to the end of September, especially from 11am to 3pm.
•   It's not known exactly how much time is needed in the sun to make enough vitamin D to meet the body's requirements. This is because there are a number of factors that can affect how vitamin D is made, such as your skin colour or how much skin you have exposed. But you should be careful not to burn in the sun, so take care to cover up, or protect your skin with sunscreen, before your skin starts to turn red or burn.
•   People with dark skin, such as those of African, African-Caribbean or south Asian origin, will need to spend longer in the sun to produce the same amount of vitamin D as someone with lighter skin

I agree that using too much sun-screen can be a problem but does not need to be. If we expose ourselves to more sunlight than the times listed above this will be stored in the liver and should last most of the winter - how else would we have survived thus far?

There  are certain groups who are more likely to be deficient and so who will need a supplement (from NHS website) - the latest information is here:
https://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vitamins-minerals/Pages/Vitamin-D.aspx

    all children aged six months to four years (see below)
    all pregnant and breastfeeding women
    all people aged 65 and over
    people who aren't exposed to much sun, for example people who cover up their skin for cultural reasons, or people who are housebound (stay indoors) for long periods of time

I think added to this could be some people who have absorption problems and can't get enough through their diet in late winter, even if they've made plenty in summer to last at least the first part of autumn/winter.

According to the NHS website the advice to adults and children over 5 years old is:

During the autumn and winter, you need to get vitamin D from your diet because the sun isn't strong enough for the body to make vitamin D.
But since it's difficult for people to get enough vitamin D from food alone, everyone (including pregnant and breastfeeding women) should consider taking a daily supplement containing 10mcg of vitamin D during the autumn and winter.
Between late March/early April to the end of September, most people can get all the vitamin D they need through sunlight on their skin and from a balanced diet. You may choose not to take a vitamin D supplement during these months.

The word consider is the important one here and I imagine this advice will apply to those who only get the minimum exposure during the summer months (for their needs at this time) that they do not store enough for winter.

I do feel that we should all look at this in the same way that we think about making other important lifestyle changes around menopause - ie increasing exercise, fresh-air, improving diet, losing weight etc - we should be aware of the importance of vitamin D in this too and take steps to make sure we make time to get outside more than we did before so that we minimise the need for supplements.

I've considered - but I know I don't really need them - I get a huge amount of sunshine so my liver is bursting at the seams with vit D I'm sure. We also eat an enormous amount of fish so get a lot in our diet too - all through the year. Nevertheless during Dec - March I take one small spoonful of pure cod liver oil (Not sure you can still get this?) every few days when I remember - just in case - but that's all.....

I'm not saying that people aren't deficient - just that they needn't be and should make lots of effort to minimise the likelihood of this.

Another soap-box moment  ::)   ;D

Hurdity x

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CLKD

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2017, 09:33:27 PM »

Yes Margaret I was drained inside and out - brain seemed to have shut down I couldn't make a decision about much at all, not even if I wanted a cuppa or not.  I knew it wasn't 'normal' for me so after 4 weeks went to a GP, who did a complete raft of blood tests including iron levels, infection monitors, ESR, Thyroid function as well as the VitD I had asked for.


Also it is known regardless, that people in the UK in general do not get into the fresh air as much as even 5 years ago. Children are carted here there and everywhere in vehicles even if School is within walking distance: due to parents needing to get to work for 9.00 a.m.; I know, I live on an Estate where vehicles are rife  :-\.  Many Schools across the UK have sold off their playing fields to housing companies with the Governments agreement: despite that same Government telling schools that they should do more sports.



As for local-2-me schools, the price of coaches to drive children to the various sporting activities has proven too costly.  Also, the time it takes to reach the various Centres means that they children don't get a full session be it swimming, tennis, netball so schools have tended towards Forest Schools for Infants and Primary age groups - of course, there isn't much sunshine in a forest  ::)

People are glued to their mobiles etc.; making arrangements to go Clubbing - no sunshine there then.  It interests me that on Sundays where I live many different cultures walk out as families, the younger children running freely to the swings etc., with the parents walking behind.  Given too that the UK is multi-cultural, where girls from a certain age have to be covered, means that many do not get into the sunshine at all.  They go from home to school, back home and indoors.  They don't socialise except within their own culture.  It has been found in recent years that rickets is common within some ethnic groups.

One can only know one is short of VitD via blood tests.  As my Mum found out 6 weeks ago when she realised that she felt really ill having complained of general fatigue for months.  Guessing doesn't cut it I'm afraid. My GP has given me appropriate capsules because how I was feeling pointed towards a lack of VitD.  Also, we have been advised to cover ourselves in sun screen so the body doesn't absorb the sunshine enough to active the hormone required for us to benefit.  If cod liver oil did it but even my cats wouldn't touch it  ;D .....
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CLKD

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2017, 09:36:09 PM »

Tnx Sparkle
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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2017, 11:26:56 PM »

Lots of people in Oz are Vit D deficient due to too much covering up from the sun! We even get cases of ricketts now.  I try to do my 15 mins when the sun is out but even after a summer I was tested and it was low!

I do use sunscreen if going to the beach or out for a long walk but day to day shopping etc I don't bother as if it's too hot I just walk/sit in the shade.

However, I have been reading that the chemicals in sunscreen is just as bad for us (you can never win!) as getting burnt in a different way. I've been trying zinc based screens as this sits on the skin and doesn't get absorbed but apparently you still get Vit D absorption.

I think tiredness is the main thing, not sure if it's in the head but I always feel so much better in the Summer as I really dislike winter (yes, even here!). I do take supplements during the winter or whenever I'm working indoors for a few days to try and keep the levels up.

I think Hurdity has a point, how did we survive without supplements but our lifestyles are very different now, more indoor activities, people don't take lunch hours and get outside, kids don't play outside as much plus maybe the quality of food isn't as good. There's been a lot in the papers recently about don't eat too much fish because of all the mercury in it, so again you can't win!

Plus a lot of people are changing their diets, going vegan, cutting dairy, etc you have to make sure you are replacing the nutrients. I looked at non-dairy yoghurt and milk to check calcium and on some of them unless they were supplemented had no mention of it so instantly you are missing out on vital elements in the diet.

It's grey and overcast here at the moment so guess I won't be getting much Vit D today!

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dazned

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2017, 09:29:06 AM »

Thanks Sparkle,as I said the position of the UK does make a huge difference to us ! As others have said most folks to everywhere in cars now,kids indoors not playing out etc. We now have pollution which effect the type of rays needed for us to produce vit D and now most put sunscreens on. So whilst the geographical location for Britain hasn't changed the circumstances definitely have so I stand by my earlier comment and will continue with my supplement as advised.
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dahliagirl

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2017, 01:42:14 PM »

Rickets was endemic in this country until late Victorian times when they discovered cod liver oil helped and in the early 20th Century light bathing.  8)   A lot of work was done in the 20th century on nutrition, vitamins isolated and the NHS helped things like rickets become a problem of the past.  Pollution problems were improved in the 1950s

Unfortunately, we seem to have forgotten this wisdom, and lifestyles are so much more indoors these days.

The can't be bothered feeling comes with lack of vitamin D.  It is the last link in the chain of thyroxin - lack of thyroxin causes the thyroid stimulating hormone to be produced so that more thyroxin is formed.  This travels to the areas where it is needed and converted to a different form so that it can enter the cells.  To attach to the receptors in the cell, it needs vitamin D, so if there is not much around, you get tired.

Cod liver oil helps but it also has vit A which we don't need so much.  A good holiday somewhere near the equator is very good - I wish I could afford one every year  ;D
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CLKD

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2017, 02:35:53 PM »

OK - as I have said B4:
My family on both sides, worked outdoors.  Waaaaayyyy back in history.  More recently they were farm workers, up at dawn and home at dusk.  One Gt Uncle worked with ploughing horses, his son was a herdsman (apparently I was found in with the bull one day reading to him  ;D, everyone  was freaked except me).  Pictures of Victorians show specific 'wear' for specific occupations, my Grannies never went out unless they had hat and gloves: one even had a morning hat and an afternoon hat   ::).   I hardly have time to change from slippers to shoes never mind worrying about which hat to wear.

Everyone walked or cycled, except the Vicar or Family Doctor who were usually in rural areas the first to buy cars. It wasn't 'right' for ladies to show ankle or arms in public  ........ although they didn't have holidays there was usually 1 day when the Sunday School and Church had outings, for my family it was to the coast 15 miles away.  By cart often.  No sun lotion in those days. 

The next generation (1930s) became teachers, factory workers, office workers so spent more time inside.  But that generation had more leisure time: picnics as families [sometimes 20 of us would be together, everyone would take sandwiches, drinks etc. which would be shared]; days on the beach, walks in the woods .......... every School had a Play-ground and sports activities >yawn<.  We walked or cycled to and from school, 1 friend had a 3 mile trip to and 3 miles home complete with satchel.  She lived in the back of beyond and was allowed out early in the Winter to get home B4 dark  ::).

Also: people are fragmented due to working away from the base-line where they were raised and I don't think have family picnics etc. any more. 

I know that I am lazy.  I know that I MUST up my exercise in the sunshine ;-).  See you later ........ :whist:
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