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[Butterfly22]

What side effect do you ladies get off pro? I was taking 100mg of pro days 1-14 but was told on here I should be taking 200mg 1-14 or 100mg 1-28 (think that was right)
I've been taking probably 100mg now for three weeks plus none stop and feel horrible, I'm really bloated, tiredness off the rictor scale, boobs gone smaller and no get up and go at all.
Any advice would be great thanks, I thought I had a bug but may be this xx

[Hurdity]

Hi Lil22

Sorry to hear you're struggling

I have never taken prog orally ( I presume you mean utrogestan judging by the dose?) so can't comment, and also I have a (long) cycle so do not take it all the time - in fact would not do so precisely because of the side effects. I  take it vaginally to minimise side effects - there are more side effects from oral use because Utro breaks down into many more by-products because of digestion and metabolism by the liver. Unfortunately also some women are more susceptible than others.

I am on my 12 day cycle at the moment - about half way through - and all I have noticed this time ( 200 mg vaginal application) is excessive morning tiredness ( even more than usual) but that's no big deal - and feeling a bit fat (well I'm a bit fatter anyway at the moment unfortunately!).

Can you take it in a different way?

Hurdity x

[Butterfly22]

Hi hurdity thanks for reply,
Yes it's the ustrogen one.
Am I right on what I said my doses should be?
What's a long cycle?
If this is because of the pro I'll have to try the other way as feel horrendous!
Just about had the energy to make myself some porridge for tea!
I just don't no if it's a bug or that but I'll stop for few days see how I go. Xxxx

[Hazel]

 :(My concern is that i was wrongly prescribed wrong patch without progesterone in.
As a result womb lining had thickened to triple the size it should be.
Now I am on bio identical creams still concerned about dosages of oestrogen and progesterone as need to protect lining.
has anyone had experience of this //thanks

[Cassie]

I take 100mg for 12 days a month, use it vaginally, one does need to have an annual scan if you use it this way to see if it is keeping the lining thin.

Hazel when they picked up the thickened lining, were you not prescribed progesterone to help it shed? That would need to be done prior to starting the creams, I believe that progesterone cream is not strong enough to oppose the oestrogen, so I would request a regular scan, if that is the route you are taking.

[Butterfly22]

Hazel that happened to a friend she had the gel but no progestrogen I told her she should have that to she contacted the doctors and they were really apologetic and gave her the pro.

Cassie so it is ok 100mg 14 days? I'll ask the doctor about scans if this is ok to do. Mind feeling hideous again today. Xxx

[Hurdity]

Hi Hazel - this is terrible! I am so sorry to hear that this occurred due to doc's ignorance.

However as Cassie says - the bio-identical creams ( BHRT) are not advised for treatment of menopause (and very expensive!) - and as she says if the oestrogen was strong enough to work on symptoms, then progesterone creams are definitely not strong enough to protect the womb - current protocols conform with this ie advise against it.

Please ditch this expensive unregulated treatment as soon as you can! You can get oestrogen and progesterone - the actual hormones that are in the BHRT creams - on NHS but in regulated amounts. There is another thread where I posted lots of links about BHRT here: https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,36978.0.html

I agree with Cassie- you should have another scan, shed any thickened lining and if you want to continue with HRT - you need an appropriate and safe regime. All the different types are listed in the top tabs (green banner) - treatments/HRT preparations.

Hope this helps

Hurdity x

[shoppingqueen]

Hi Lil22

I've been wondering how you are getting on. I remembered you were taking with Premarin- did you start both at the same time or Premarin on its own first? Just wondering if it's the utro or the Premarin. What symptoms are you experiencing?

 If you've been on utro for 3 weeks are you aiming to do the long cycle ( I'm guessing this is 25 days then stopping for three)?  As you said, 100mg would be for this cycle.

If I remember you were on Premique so you could try Provera as this is the same prog as in Premique and I think you said  you did well on this
( like me). My problem was tolerating Premarin.

 I do think giving the utro three months might be a good idea though before deciding on something else, unless the side effects are unbearable. (I've done far too much jumping about since the Premique was discontinued and it's had adverse effects. I've not given my body chance to catch up/ settle. I did see a private consultant Gynaecologist/ meno specialist and he's insisted I give current preparation 3 months)

Hope you have a better day today!

🤗 SQ xx

[Mary G]

Lil22, have you thought about doing the 100mg Utrogestan (vaginally) for 7 days each month as in the Professor Studd regime?  This is what I am doing except I stretch the cycle but I can safely do this because I am under supervision and have regular uterine scans.  The point is, I don't need any more progesterone than this because I am getting very good lining clearance and thinning on this low dose and I don't have any side effects.  If I take a higher dose or use it more frequently, I get silent migraines and feel very strange so there is no question of my taking any more Utrogestan than this, it is never going to happen.  From my experience, more frequency means more side effects. 

Obviously there is no guarantee you will get the same positive effects on the same Utrogestan dose but why not try it and then have a scan after a few months to see how well it is working?  There is no point in suffering and taking too much progesterone for years on end when you don't need to.

Are you looking into Duavive?  It could be the perfect solution for progesterone intolerant women who are post menopause. 

[Butterfly22]

Hi Lil22

I've been wondering how you are getting on. I remembered you were taking with Premarin- did you start both at the same time or Premarin on its own first? Just wondering if it's the utro or the Premarin. What symptoms are you experiencing?

 If you've been on utro for 3 weeks are you aiming to do the long cycle ( I'm guessing this is 25 days then stopping for three)?  As you said, 100mg would be for this cycle.

If I remember you were on Premique so you could try Provera as this is the same prog as in Premique and I think you said  you did well on this
( like me). My problem was tolerating Premarin.

 I do think giving the utro three months might be a good idea though before deciding on something else, unless the side effects are unbearable. (I've done far too much jumping about since the Premique was discontinued and it's had adverse effects. I've not given my body chance to catch up/ settle. I did see a private consultant Gynaecologist/ meno specialist and he's insisted I give current preparation 3 months)

Hope you have a better day today!

🤗 SQ xx

Hi shopping queen I don't seem to get on with the Premarin it's the ustrogen I'm taking, I feel bloated, headache, tired. Really tired but not sure if some to do with a bug as burning up and sneezing. When I get a bug I feel awful and symptoms linger rather then come out.
I'm just going to try the 14 days and see what the doctor says next time.
How you getting on ? Was it the femeston you were on?  Xxxxx

[Butterfly22]

Lil22, have you thought about doing the 100mg Utrogestan (vaginally) for 7 days each month as in the Professor Studd regime?  This is what I am doing except I stretch the cycle but I can safely do this because I am under supervision and have regular uterine scans.  The point is, I don't need any more progesterone than this because I am getting very good lining clearance and thinning on this low dose and I don't have any side effects.  If I take a higher dose or use it more frequently, I get silent migraines and feel very strange so there is no question of my taking any more Utrogestan than this, it is never going to happen.  From my experience, more frequency means more side effects. 

Obviously there is no guarantee you will get the same positive effects on the same Utrogestan dose but why not try it and then have a scan after a few months to see how well it is working?  There is no point in suffering and taking too much progesterone for years on end when you don't need to.

Are you looking into Duavive?  It could be the perfect solution for progesterone intolerant women who are post menopause.

Hi thank you for reply, it's always an option I can mention  to doctor if it continues, Duavive is definitely an option I'm looking at, the doctor tried on my last visit but was not coming up for her to do a prescription for, she said hopefully will be in fe months.
Thanks for your advice xx

[Mary G]

Duavive should be available on the NHS soon.  It is expensive but if you have a history of progesterone intolerance you should be able to get it. 

[Butterfly22]

Duavive should be available on the NHS soon.  It is expensive but if you have a history of progesterone intolerance you should be able to get it.

The doctor said she is never happy to prescribe new meds but as the trouble I've had with hrt is happy to try it. I think I've tried everything xxx

[shoppingqueen]

Hi Lil22

This sounds like a good plan re the utrogestan! And I'm pleased your doctor will try Duavive if you don't settle- sorry, did you say you aren't taking Premarin? What you having for estrogen element?

Yes, I am on the Femoston 2/10: one month in nearly. I think I felt much better on the prog part though,  not had a good two weeks on estrogen only. Like you, I'm not sure if I'm just unwell though. I am gritting my teeth as I've got keep this one up for three months.

I saw a private meno specialist/ consultant gynaecologist who said it's imperative I do three months unless I feel absolutely unwell.

My GP reviewed me this week and said same but he think I should try an AD as he thinks I need help with anxiety symptoms.

It's been a long,  long road since the end of  Premique!

Hope you feeling a bit better today 🤗 SQ xx

[weathergirl]

I get grogginess, sluggishness, and slow digestion with oral Prometrium. Unfortunately my practitioner will not authorized to use it vaginally. 😞 She is quite knowledgeable about menopause and is a GYN clinician who specializes in menopause issues.

She said that it is not clear what amount, and how consistently the Prometrium is absorbed vaginally, and it's for this reason that they will not prescribe it this way in their practice (in the U.S.) So, even if I wanted to do it that way, I would really be taking my chances with no option for lining checks unless I went 'off the grid' and paid for them myself without my doctor knowing.

Although I know women here do use it vaginally very successfully, (and I'm so glad for them! 😊) I trust this practitioner as she has quite a few years of experience, and I am going to go with what she's told me.

I feel for ALL we women having progesterone side effects, because it really is no fun. I would follow either of those  two regimens that you mentioned in your original post. That seems to be the fairly standard dosing regimen's for people on low-mid levels dose estradiol patches or gels. Good luck!