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paisley

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Re: Loneliness
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2017, 11:16:55 AM »

What lovely posts about loneliness. I agree I had a difficult childhood too but it was my mum who was mentally unwell & in those days she was too ashamed to go for help plus my mum & dad were always arguing. It does make for a lonely childhood. The consequence of that is I was the opposite , i was a very chatty person until meno & then retreated a lot. It is very hard when you don't feel good yourself to go out into the world & be confident around other people but it also takes a lot of strength & courage to carry on at work & relationships as if everything is ok because we don't want to be seen as moaning all the time
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Butterfly22

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Re: Loneliness
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2017, 11:27:51 AM »

Ah I think that has a lot to do with with being lonely too, having the confidence to get out there.
I do moan a lot but I think we'll if it's a problem to me then it's a problem.
I guess this forum is a good place to moan as most are in the same boat 😘
Moan away xxxx
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Yorkshire Girl

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Re: Loneliness
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2017, 03:49:02 PM »

Thank you for sharing your story Daisysareyellow. Where you said "even some of the worst people are not that way because they are bad" I just didn't realise what was wrong with me, diagnosed with depression but it took 4 years to for final diagnosis - severe PMS. By then I'd moved so had no support. None of my ex friends contacted me, but that's not surprising after the things they said about me!
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Butterfly22

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Re: Loneliness
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2017, 08:39:39 PM »

Ah that's sad to hear Yorkshire girl! Mind when your ill you soon see people for there true colours. Xxx
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DaisyB

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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2017, 11:25:02 PM »

Thank you girls for sharing your stories - I think the meno is so complex for each of us that there is definitely a natural draw towards isolation and loneliness.


 For me personally at times I have hated the sound of my own voice as it seemed like a never ending stream of problems - and I'm still in the middle of it :-\ so rather than share what was going on I'd often retreat into myself.


I was never a natural mixer with people - never encouraged friendships - put all my time and effort into raising my own family from I was 19yrs old.


Now I am regretting some of those choices. Because in the last 6 months I've realised just how important female friendships really are- and what I find fascinating is that the 'change of life' is very aptly named.


This forum is my first real experience of sharing and supporting (albeit it anonymously and online) with a group of women. And I have really felt the benefit of that.


Not sure how I am going to go about it yet - but I do think that I need to make an effort to get out and try to foster some new relationships.


I actually remember saying when I was a young mum that I couldn't think of anything worse than having a friend that drained what energy you'd left at the end of a busy day!
Anyway times have changed and moving forward so am I  ;)
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Yorkshire Girl

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Re: Loneliness
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2017, 04:40:36 PM »

Lila so very true!
DaisyB your so right that's what this forum is for rant & mention/ask for advice. Think that's all a lot of us can do is just move on & not keep thinking about regrets - I should follow my own advice! I keep asking myself why did I put up with severe PMS for 20+ years, it took till last year at 43 to realise what illness I had!
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Butterfly22

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Re: Loneliness
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2017, 06:07:15 PM »

Just think positive better late then never, you could of gone a few more years without knowing.
As for advice I was told in CBT once when thinking of a situation/problem you have imagine it's your friend/sister asking the advice, what would you say to her? As we seem to be very hard on ourselves xxxx
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CLKD

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Re: Loneliness
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2017, 09:20:58 PM »

I have felt lonely in a crowded room.

Recently our supermarket decided to make some of the Tills self-service - which we refuse to use.  Talking to a lady of older years she told me that she shops there twice a week and it's the place she gets the most chat ........ I told Management that if they put all the Tills self-service, I would shop on-line  ::) and reiterated this lady's tale about the interaction she needs.

Mum won't admit to being lonely but I think many of us miss sharing 'stuff'.  Me, although Himself and I love being out and about together or sitting quietly reading, I would love to have someone else to share our garden with  ::).  Mum certainly misses having a Very Good Moan as well as telling people about her day.

I never felt lonely in my deepest depression because I couldn't deal with people at all, as I began to be able to leave the house I would have loved someone to walk the  :scottie:  with who would understand that if I couldn't go, to accept it.  Ah well.



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DaisyB

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Re: Loneliness
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2017, 10:38:18 PM »

I know what you mean CLKD about people accepting when you cannot always stick to your commitments! I'd an acquaintance from uni who'd arranged a meet up - this was about 10 yrs ago - can't remember what the event was but my dog had died at almost 14yrs and we were all in a state. I baled out at last minute - as my girls were inconsolable. She was really angry and let me know it. I was quite ruthless but wouldnt do a thing differently if it happened again. I sent her a card and thanked her for her friendship but ended it right there. No compassion and a stickler for rules.
When you are living with something as unpredictable as poor mental health - you need the flexibility and understanding of others that allows you room to manoeuvre-
Shame about the self service tills- my goodness I've two local petrol stations that are unmanned now-  :-\  drive in - fill up and pay at pump - and drive on  ::)  no need to speak to anyone :-\
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daisysareyellow

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Re: Loneliness
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2017, 12:04:13 AM »

I know what you mean CLKD about people accepting when you cannot always stick to your commitments! I'd an acquaintance from uni who'd arranged a meet up - this was about 10 yrs ago - can't remember what the event was but my dog had died at almost 14yrs and we were all in a state. I baled out at last minute - as my girls were inconsolable. She was really angry and let me know it. I was quite ruthless but wouldnt do a thing differently if it happened again. I sent her a card and thanked her for her friendship but ended it right there. No compassion and a stickler for rules.
When you are living with something as unpredictable as poor mental health - you need the flexibility and understanding of others that allows you room to manoeuvre-
Shame about the self service tills- my goodness I've two local petrol stations that are unmanned now-  :-\  drive in - fill up and pay at pump - and drive on  ::)  no need to speak to anyone :-\

We haven't had manned petrol pumps in Australia for years!!! It must have been phased out here at least 20 years ago. I think some supermarkets here are realising that self serve checkouts are leading to major theft issues and some are returning to manned checkouts.

In regard to your comment about baling on an event with your friend. This just seems silly. If you have given her a good reason for not turning up, well that should be enough really. My father never went to anything when we were children. His bi-polar made him extremely anti-social and it caused so much difficulty for our family. Poor mum had to make excuse after excuse when she really should have been honest. Everyone knew dad was a bit strange anyway! My older brothers used to tell their friends that dad could be a bit tricky. One of brother's friends actually made a big effort with dad and years later when dad got on better treatment, this man used to go to mum and dad's house whenever they needed any handyman work done. Dad used to sit and drink tea with him and I am so thankful that this man made the effort with dad when so many others just wrote him off.

Loneliness does funny things to people. Dad passed away last year from cancer. Mum was a medical receptionist for 20 years and despite this, avoided doctors as much as possible. She is 88 year old and only takes 1 tablet a day for blood pressure. Anyway, after dad passed, mum kept getting little health issues. I rang her local doctor and spoke to the practice nurse. The nurse asked me whether I though mum was grieving rather than actually ill. Turns out that despite living with such a difficult man all her life, mum was lonely and missing him. Mum has more friends than anyone I know, She is a committee member of two large community groups but I was noticing that at night she would call me. We used to talk on the phone a few times a week, but mum was making any excuse to call. I spoke to my older brothers and we all made an extra effort to get round to see her. I live 15km away, so I am the closest, but my brothers rang her more frequently. I as a bit insensitive. I assumed that dad's passing would lift a huge burden off her shoulders, when in fact, she told me she didn't mind taking dad to his appointments, etc.. as they gave her purpose. Oh and recently mum was made Senior Citizen of The Year in our local community for all her years of volunteer work. Now she has to attend functions associated with this and has another purpose.

It's far to easy to write people off. We endured 40+ years of dad's bizarre behaviour, only to find that modern medication made him pretty close to normal. In the few years prior to his death, dad was on Epilim which controlled both his bi-polar and his migraines. He did take a couple of other drugs as well, but he became pleasant to talk to and deal with. I should add that my father held one of the highest public service positions in Australia whilst he was so sick. I still don't know how he did it!



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DaisyB

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Re: Loneliness
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2017, 07:11:15 AM »

Yes Daisysareyellow similar to you my MIL had poor mental health but never really had a diagnosis and used AD and sleeping tablets most of her life. She also smoked heavy which caused macular degeneration- almost totally blind before lung cancer claimed her. Over the years my very gentle FIL had it hard at times managing her behaviours.
Since she passed away 3 yrs ago he talks about her constantly and misses her so much - we've had to do something similar to step up the contact with him.
I just realised I wrote
'No compassion and a stickler for rules'
[/size]that was the Uni friend not me ::)
A shop assistant told me that the self service tills rely on honest customers and that a lot of people were not paying for carrier bags  :-\ 
Re petrol stations unmanned - I hate them! The two I refer to would have had small grocery stores attached. A welcome port on a stretch of the coast road that hasn't got another fuel stop for miles.  Wouldn't like to be travelling alone on that road anymore and get into difficulties  :-\
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Butterfly22

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Re: Loneliness
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2017, 07:50:39 AM »

I'm quite ok cancelling plans if I'm not well, the people who are friends or family do understand as I do cancel a lot. Even if someone has a cold they no not to come see me ect (because of my ME) so I'm lucky in that way, along the way I've lost contact with friends who don't understand but that's down to me, as to be honest I can't be bothered with people who don't understand.
I also had less friends when I gave up drinking but that doesn't bother me, the friends I do have are from school, my teenage years, I don't see them much but I no I could call and meet for a cuppa ect.

As for self service tills we have Four at our local supermarket which stand empty when there is always a huge que at the proper tills. Hopefully people will catch on we prefere to speak and communication as a lot of old people this may be the only chat they have for the day x
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CLKD

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Re: Loneliness
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2017, 04:48:13 PM »

My Dad had bi-polar too and took his own food with him (something I did in later life too  ::)) so that he could eat if he wanted to or say "I'm OK thanks, I've got my own".  It was kind of normal for us  ::)

Lovely comments here  :thankyou:
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Re: Loneliness
« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2017, 06:19:52 PM »

Sorry to go back daisyb to something you said in an earlier post ....I'm going to start hrt once my health tests I'm having are all done and I was starting on femoston as that seeems the best progesterone one but I've seen you're on sandrena and wondered how you're finding it especially the fact you're sleeping so much. As you know I can't sleep I'm really poorly off lack of sleep and just wondered if you think the sandrena has helped with your sleep or if you slept good before..and are you peri still having periods as I thought you had to take progesterone too? I'm just looking at all options but I can't take progesterone up inside me as I wee every hour sometimes more even through the night so it would only stay up less than an hour through the night and I've read it has to stay up there all night..it's a shame as I've been told the safest hrt is oestrogel and utrogesan combi...
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DaisyB

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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2017, 08:20:05 PM »

Hi PB - I have Mirena in and sandrena I've increased myself 2 x  a day. I've ME so sleep can swing badly from very little to too much. That said the health anxiety and sleep was dreadful from January to a couple of months back. I'm also working with claire snowdon Darling on diet and supplements- on advice from some ladies here - sleep has been terrific last couple of months. When ME was bad I had to retrain my sleep patterns - was dreadful I had to limit sleep during the day to short naps - set bedtime routines same time - bath- tv off and aromatherapy oils etc I have blackout blinds bamboo eye masks and ear plugs now.  ;D  Incase i have problems getting over - and woe betide anyone who wakes me up  ::) :-\
I'm peri - period free for 7 months last year then flooding for 3/4 months before coil went in. Never had hormones in my life until now. After reading researching and chatting about it in here I have concluded the very slightly increased risk far outweighs the quality of life I'm getting back. Keep in touch x
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