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[Peacegirl]

Utrogestan is not working for me either. I've blown up like a ballon to where it's so uncomfortable. My GP said to take it every other day, which I have been doing and I still have fluid retention but not as bad.  The consultant has now said it's not safe to take it every other day as it's not enough to clear the lining. I'm dreading taking it tonight as I know I'll be going to work with big puffy eyes. I'm wondering if I should ask for provera. How are you finding it?

Hi, do you mind me asking how much estrogen you're taking? I also had horrible side effects (bloating headaches, nausea, sedation, Ibs) from 100mg of utrogestan and so took it every other day as is sanctioned in some countries. But my specialist said on Thursday thst this isnt safe. However I only have two pumps of estrogel so how could it be that if I have 2 pumps of gel I need 100mg of utrogestan daily and if I have 4 pumps of gel a day I only need the same amount of progesterone? I am also now trying provera next week but this is mainly because my hair loss has started up again. Will report back re side effects.

[Peacegirl]

Peace girl, I'd read Utrogestan was supposed to be the best for hairless, but funny my hair has gone bad on it. Gestodene in Femodene pill was the best for me for hair loss. I do t know if it's available for HRT

My specialist said hair loss war rare yet it's listed under common side effects for utrogestan.  I found femoston conti ok just not enough estrogen effect from it.

[shoppingqueen]

Hi Katia
I'm only third or fourth day in with provera- I'm only taking 5mg, was prescribed 10mg but want to see how I tolerate it- been taking about 7pm as makes me feel bit sleepy. However, have slept well throughout night. So far so good. But will keep you posted. My main problem is that I've also gone from tablet to patch and am having a nightmare with them getting to stick also instinctively feel I'm not coping with 75mcg feels too high or it's meno symptoms returning and maybe I'm just not absorbing because of sticking problems so hard to tell. Warmed skin with hairdryer as suggested by some on here so have cut patch down to 50 ish today I  just removed a quarter- going to see how I go. I also have terrific backache but don't know if I've pulled it or is related to putting patch on bum!! Might need to try on tummy when I'm due a change. Katia, what estrogen you using and what route if you don't mind me asking ? Xx

[Katia]

I use the estrogel. I've only been on HRT three weeks. I was using three pumps, reduced it to two as I wasn't sure if it was the gel or the Utrogestan that was causing the fluid and have just gone back to three as two isn't enough. I could tolerate Utrogestan if it was every third day, but I'd still have some fluid retention and it's unpleasant. I was in Femodene pill before and had no side effects. I am happy with the gel, but I need to find a progesterone and I don't think the Utrogestan is right.

Shopping queen could you switch to the gel?

 Peacegirl, my specialist is saying the same about the fluid. He said it's highly unlikely it's the HRT. It started with the HRT, I'd never had it before and when I had a break from the Utrogestan it went away. At least he's open to changing the progesterone or me going back to Femodene pill if needed. I'm taking 100mg of Utrogestan a day. He feels it's better for me to have the lower dose. I've tried it vaginally and I still got really bad bloating and fluid. I decided myself to have a 3 day break from it then my GP said to go to every other day. It still wasn't good. I've skipped it again for a few days now as I was meeting a friend and didn't want to look like a puffed up ball. Ive just taken it tonight and am giving it a few more days to see. When it's taken every other day does it build up enough to shed the lining or not? 

[Katia]

Someone has posted about taking it vaginally 2 or 3 times a week like they do in the continent. I think it was either from a gynae or a study. I'm trying to find the post/study so that I can show it to the specialist as he seems to say it needs to be taken every day

[Peacegirl]

I will try and find the thread for you. Can't remember right now. I have been warned about risks of such light use on here too so all I can suggest is if you find a paper evidencing use like this in other countries, you signpost it to your specialist. But as I'm sure you know, not everyone can tolerate utrogestan. I get minimal, bearable side effects from alternate days use.

[Peacegirl]

Found this for now but will try to do more research at lunchtime

https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,35603.msg569522.html#msg569522

With reduced use, regular scans are recommended to measure thickness of lining, even though my specialist says this isn't effective.

Also can I stress that I'm not in any sense very knowledgeable myself and only speaking from my own experience and still struggling to make sense of it all 🙄

[Jenna]

Someone has posted about taking it vaginally 2 or 3 times a week like they do in the continent. I think it was either from a gynae or a study. I'm trying to find the post/study so that I can show it to the specialist as he seems to say it needs to be taken every day

Hi Katia - this thread might be useful and look for Hurdity's post re the published info.

https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=33514.0

[Peacegirl]

Someone has posted about taking it vaginally 2 or 3 times a week like they do in the continent. I think it was either from a gynae or a study. I'm trying to find the post/study so that I can show it to the specialist as he seems to say it needs to be taken every day

Hi Katia - this thread might be useful and look for Hurdity's post re the published info.

https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=33514.0

Thanks for finding that Jenna - have now saved this in my desktop meno folder as I clearly have the memory of Dory!


 

[Jenna]

My pleasure, Peacegirl. 

[Katia]

Thank you for all these.  I am seeing a specialist, but he seems to just follow the rules of every day 100mg, or cyclical 200mg.  I never had any problems with the progestogens in the pill so I'm thinking of changing

[matildamouse]

I do well on alternative day progesterone vaginally, 50mcg Estradot and  vagifem twice a week. My scans have been good so far.

[Katia]

Peace girl, I find the quality of my hair seems to improve with the Utrogestan. Could you take the femoston with a pump of gel? 

[Katia]

Peacegirl, did you have any problems with the progesterone in femoston?  Ive done two days of Utrogestan, I've felt tired but haven't bloated as bad, but I know if I take another I will. I'm wondering about days on one off. The texture of my hair has improved with the Utrogestan vs just the gel, but it's not as good as a few weeks ago on the Femodene pill

[Peacegirl]

Peacegirl, did you have any problems with the progesterone in femoston?  Ive done two days of Utrogestan, I've felt tired but haven't bloated as bad, but I know if I take another I will. I'm wondering about days on one off. The texture of my hair has improved with the Utrogestan vs just the gel, but it's not as good as a few weeks ago on the Femodene pill

No problems at all with Femoston (I was on 1/5 conti). No hair loss - it just didn't hold my meno symptoms (hot flushes, aching bones, brain fog, chronic mouth ulcers and gum problems).
I'm going to try the Provera this week. If that doesn't work out I have thought about seeing if my GP would agree to Femoston with a pump of gel. I feel like I can tell if I'm carrying too much oestrogen as I get a bit 'high' (not in a good way) and can't sleep. So I like being able to control/monitor this. My GP was happy wth me taking the Femoston and topping up with half an evorel patch but the specialist says no as this not recommend dose - but hey we don't all fit within average ranges do we??

What's your next move Katia? You could try 2 days on and one off but like me, you may feel at some point you need to get this reduced utrogestan use sanctioned by a medical practitioner and this can be a problem. There is research/evidence around if you feel like taking them on.  Not that we should have to fight for what's best for us individually - we're entitled to quality of life like anyone else with scans and whatever else is needed to ensure our good health.