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[CLKD]

I understand that they raised concerns but who with?  Why not seek advice from the Fire Service if this was the concern, if the Landlord didn't respond?  Do people realise that the Fire Service and Police will give advice though I do know that some people are reluctant to approach in particular the Police .......  We may never know who was approached, by which means, whether there's a paper trail - but hopefully people will now be aware that there are others to talk with if other routes don't work.  We have to all take responsibility if only to encourage over-all concerns and assistance where necessary. 

I expect that the concerns of residents will be heard and listed at the Inquest.  They will probably be revealed at the Public Enquiry.  Sadly inequality is historic in the UK and it hasn't been decided yet whether the cladding itself was dangerous; whether it was poorly fitted which allowed a 'chimney' effect or if the weather at the time added to the tragedy.  This should be revealed at the Enquiries which will take place. I do hope that this tragedy will stop cladding works across the UK until the Public Enquiry Report is released and even then, more tests should be carried out.

The cladding will have been approved by the Building Dept. to update the buildings, however if it worked already why alter it   

What should happen is that any new-builds do not have central stair-ways as their main access, and have alternative escape routes considered and that nothing is built way above heights that the Rescue Services are able to reach.  Each flat should have fire blankets, ladders as well as extinguishers [sp] and the residents should be able to have regular meetings with their Landlords as well as being up-dated on how to use fire safety equipment. We have an extinguisher in our kitchen and all the vehicles and ought to buy fire blankets ........ our Fire Service tells us to get out, stay out and dial for assistance.

I am a huge shouter when cross: but the various services are under plenty of stress and stretched to bursting point already. 

[CLKD]

I read how devastated the owner is, the one in the flat where the fire started ......... he did try to warn as many people on his 'floor' B4 having to flee himself  and now 30 are known to have died. 

[nearly50]

Suggest you find the blog on the campaign about this block of flats CLKD. People are angry, and they have every right to be so.

[CLKD]

Surely someone is there to enforce the Recommendations 

[Cassie]

Protesting is fine, violence is not, I hope the protests remain peaceful.

[Hurdity]

I haven't commented here before - I don't manage to read many threads especially in this section but I can't believe some of the comments I am reading about this appalling tragedy and what people should or should not have done.

What our individual fears are about crowded places, and how we behave or plan when going into closed situations - is utterly irrelevant to this terrifying and horrific fire. I doubt any of us has ever been in a situation that comes anywhere close to this. We are all privileged and fortunate - well I imagine most of us are.

My heart goes out to all of those people, and their families and their anger is entirely justified - as Hasty says - because reports and recommendations have not been implemented and there have been similar fires elsewhere in the world. Waiting for a public inquiry is all very well but action needs to be taken now.

As for learning the lessons - my blood boils whenever I hear trite politicians or councillors trotting out this phrase whenever anything bad happens - as if it somehow makes it OK - because at least we've learnt something 

Thanks for posting the link breeze. At least the Government is now pledging £5m as aid but I am sure extra donations are welcome.

Hurdity x

[Mbrown001]

Well said sparkle.


Mrs Brown

[nearly50]

I've donated to the North Kensington Law Centre today, to try to help those affected legal support.

Going to a demo in Glasgow this afternoon, really feel strongly that voices have to be heard on this one.

[CLKD]

Apparently there is a Trade Journal: "Inside Housing" : [Guardian today] - that have been "warning regarding the risks of fires at tower blocks across the country and the lack of regulation to protect residents".    They focus particular on social housing.  It makes for harrowing reading.

[CLKD]

My Mum was in tears earlier, we don't often speak on a Sat. but she kept asking if there is anything that she can do ....... what could I say 

[nearly50]

My Mum was in tears earlier, we don't often speak on a Sat. but she kept asking if there is anything that she can do ....... what could I say 

well although it must be upsetting to hear your mum in tears,  it's lovely that your mum still takes an interest and wants to do something to help others, and still has empathy for others. You could tell her you're donating to one of the fundraisers on her behalf to help her feel she's doing her wee bit to help.

[breeze]

Well done nearly50.

I know Glasgow has many high rise blocks, as do many cities. We all have to keep shouting until someone listens.

[nearly50]

Well done nearly50.

I know Glasgow has many high rise blocks, as do many cities. We all have to keep shouting until someone listens.

A lot of them have been demolished now and GHA say none use the cladding Grenfell used. Have to hope this is the case. Think this is symbolic of a wider issue of austerity and cut backs hitting services, and by extension the less well off, so hard.

Sorry if I'm ranting and it is not appropriate, I just feel so angry about this.

[Mbrown001]

There are two tower blocks under investigation in Ayr.

I also read that most of the refurbished tower blocks in Glasgow have sprinkler systems which is very good to read and must be reassuring for those who live in them.

I think that Prime Minister May could find that this will be a defining moment for her. If she doesn't keep to what she has pledged this time it could really be her downfall.
However I do think that some of her promises may be hard to keep. She has said she will rehouse everyone in the local area. Is that even possible given it's central London and in Kensington.
That's going to be a very hard one to do given the lack of good social housing all over the country.

You rant away nearly50. Maybe the powers that be will listen this time. We can but hope.

Mrs Brown

[CLKD]

MrsB - there are Hotels etc. and people are taking in strangers as necessary within the communities.  It is up to the LA to re-home people - some of the 'richer' people have offered accommodation too though they aren't shouting about it.

Also: there's been a lot of fake news about a Press ban on reporting the number of Fatalities which has gone viral  apparently supported by 'stars' 1 of which went onto TV to put her point over that the number is 'more like 150' ....... 

My Mum wouldn't donate anything nor would I take it upon myself to act on her behalf because what ever I suggested would be met with a "can't do that Dear" - if she were interested enough she would be ringing to say "I did XYZ do you think that's right?"  .  She does support village events and her Church of course may well have a Fund she can join in with.